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Post by CODELMJVG on Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:28 pm

Or does it go for both ways where the struggle like randy couture starting late to transitions to ring was too much of a curve for  him. Daron Cruickshank was able to transition so well even tho he fought all of his early career in cage and unified rules. prime example for guys that start way late like to adopt well to utilize their skills like Gegard Mousasi finally get his ball rolling. Or does it just come down to the fighter with within. Like why does fedor struggle

quick stat on fedor

Fedor unified record complete stat
20 wins - 3 losses include wins and losses the Bodog, Afliction, strikeforce, Dream,M1,Rings,EFN Fight Night and Yarennoka.
Fedor pride rules record that includes Rizin FF fight Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye fights
15 wins - 0 losses
destroying the myth of cage argument since the rules dictate most of the fight. Than the environment elements of cage and ring I'm still leaning strongly the rules are the main factor.
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Post by westcott123 on Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:09 pm


THis would my summary of it all some are used to one particular rule set and either a need time to adjust or sometimes some don't adjust at all And then they're the ones that can easily fight under both .


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Post by westcott123 on Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:13 pm

Fedor has very good record under unified rules though fedor fights best under pride rules though shouldn't be 15"0"1nc due to the head butt with noguiera ?
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Post by fka on Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:09 pm

I don't buy into the thought that wins and losses are dictated by the arena they are held in.Styles and rulesets dictate the fights which has been proven by ONE before getting rid of soccer kicks.....the pride rules in a cage resulted in a good amount of finishes.

If you did unified rules in a ring i bet pride woukd have had alot more decisions and bad ones at that.


Fedor lost the silva fight because he could not for the life of him get out from underneath bigfoots mount being in a smaller arena in a ring would not have helped that.

Fedor hit werdum and thought he was on the way out and dove straight into the deadliest guard in the game perhaps in the history of hw division.....ive heard the idea that being in a cge reduced the ability for fedor to counter but in all honesty he dove in and got caught in a tight submission....being in a ring wouldn't have helped.

Fedor got caught by hendo in an awkward position on the ground.....again being in a ring wouldn't have helped.



If your an elite fighter you fight at an elite level period,guys like mousasi seemingly just getting into their groove has more to do with his own mental game rather then the arena he's in.


Fighters who start in ring will be more used to rules like someone starting in a cage would be more used to a cage but simply training in a cage or ring sufficiently can prepare a fighter.Not once have you heard fedor or many if any fighters blaming the arena for their losses so we the fans shouldn't make up excuses.

Anderson silva not only transitioned to the cage but thrived in it ,so did big nog and the vast majority of Pride guys who went to ufc.

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Post by CODELMJVG on Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:56 pm

Thanks for the reply fka.
Very true one champ, proven that rules with knees soccer kicks upkicks. Can work no matter the outside element in the fight. Just be happy we have joint collaboration with leagues working together. Providing at least even playing field in rizin. With fighter sharing of MMA with honest true legit best of the best.
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Post by CDF47 on Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:07 pm

I agree that elite fighters should be able to fight well regardless of the rules or platform.

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Post by CODELMJVG on Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:37 am

UFC favors zero punishment on stalling and holding dangerous position for no damage.
The criteria enables this and influence the fighter to not inflict damage or go for a ko or submission.
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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:25 am

Everybody has something they prefer whether it be in a ring or a cage or PRIDE rules or Unified rules. For example, a wrestler would benefit under Unified rules as they can use elbows and they can wins rounds on top. Guys like Wanderlei are better in PRIDE rules as they use soccer kicks and stomps. I'm surprised Big Nog did as well as he did in the UFC since you'd think his style is bad under Unified Rules given he gets dropped a lot and worked over until he gets a submission which under Unified Rules could cost him rounds.

To answer your question. It may depend on the fighter as some can easily transition while others can't regardless of how great they may be. Cro Cop is a good example as he never seemed to get used to cages and unified rules. However, UFC guys who went to PRIDE like Coleman did well.
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Post by westcott123 on Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:58 am

^^ great points there. Some guys do adjust fighting under both some don't 2 prime example Wanderlei and randy. Wanderlei never would of been ufc just like couture never would become pride champion since both Style suits a certain rule sets doesn't mean that one is better then the other it is just some people do better with certain rule set it is in every sport.
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Post by westcott123 on Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:39 pm

With rizin do people think they rizin will. Keep the pride rules or will they go unified in the next few years? God I hope not we saw what happened with one fc . My question is that if rizin gets bigger would they have to get rid of ground kicks and stomps to appease the "it will kill someone crowd"? Or just tell them fuck off and don't watch it.
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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:20 pm

westcott123 wrote:With rizin do people think they rizin will. Keep the pride rules or will they go unified in the next few years? God I hope not we saw what happened with one fc . My question is that if rizin gets bigger would they have to get rid of ground kicks and stomps to appease the "it will kill someone crowd"? Or just tell them fuck off and don't watch it.

Sad One pussied out but I'm not sure about Rizin since Sakakibara ran PRIDE and I don't see why he would want to change them now. Not sure if Rizin care about "World Fucking Domination".
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Post by nodogoshi on Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:09 pm

I don't expect the rules to change or soccer kicks to go away.

To the Japanese purists, the stomps and soccer kicks are an essential part of the combat, I suspect.

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Post by westcott123 on Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:26 pm

^^ that is good to hear now I have a question anyone can answer now the whole evolution now do people think that it is still evolving or it has reached its limit?
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You hear people Joe rogan go on about the evolution of martial arts and yes fighters today are more well rounded then say ken and royce Era but thathat has more to do with fighters cross training then anything really. Yes I know there are other factors im strictly talking about the martial arts aspect of it.

I rewatched the fedor noguiera 1st match those would easily be in the top 3 today I think fedor would of been the champion.
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Post by nodogoshi on Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:41 pm

Please note that the thing about Rizin and soccer kicks is just my opinion. However, they have been used in Japanese MMA for a long time, and the Japanese do take the shit seriously, when it comes to the purity. They are all about that shit. I feel like it's about national pride for them in martial arts.

Joe Rogan is an idiot, and I don't consider anything he says worthwhile of consideration. So, I'll answer with no regards to Joe Rogan, or anything he says or thinks.

As far as the evolution of MMA, it is definitely ongoing. It will not reach an advanced phase until the propensity of professional fighters know all the basic counters to all the common positions. It's a long ways off from there, but you can see glimmers of it in certain fights. In such fights, the deciding factor is often the guy that is athletically more able to impose his will, or technically more able to prevail through more precise or efficient motions.

Another example is the use of more and more flashy/aerial techniques. These techniques are able to be used most effectively by fighters who also have all of the fundamentals boxes checked. In boxing, Roy Jones got away with all the flashy shit, but when he started fighting, it was all fundamentals. He didn't develop the crazy shit, until he already had his PhD in the Sweet Science.

Even the growth of women's MMA in Asia (I tend to tune out the UFC matches) are seeing a lot of evolution as the competition increases, because women fight differently than men. They have a different center of gravity, are more flexible, and may make up for their less muscle mass with more attention to technique.

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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:44 am

Completely agree. Rogan is a joke. The guy take hyperbole to a whole other level. Same guy who said Ronda Rousey can beat half of UFC's male bantamweights and she's a once ever. Same guy who said Anderson Silva was the greatest martial artist the world has ever known.
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Post by westcott123 on Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:09 am

^^ he does make ridiculous statements ^^ he also does have a knack of over hyping guys Nganaou perfect example.
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Post by nodogoshi on Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:57 pm

As far as individual fighters are concerned, the techniques are ancient. Another aspect of the evolution of MMA is the bleading in of more and more maneuvers from different combat traditions.

Fedor was one of the top innovators, as far as introducing certain things to the MMA scene.

Even Rickson Gracie was a phenomenal athlete, and great at BJJ. There was a legend that he tapped Royce Gracie with his arms tied behind his back. He was already past his prime when the UFC was started.

So the evolution of MMA is definitely ongoing in my opinion, however there have been complete fighters from since start, and earlier.

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Post by westcott123 on Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:06 pm

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156205630964479&id=6176684478

What are people's view on weight cutting
Should it be
1 make people fight at their natural weight?
2 make a certain limit a person can cut?
3 should there be more weight classes or less weight classes?

One thing I noticed with pride is that despite pride having less weight classes they had hardly any  problems with anyone missing weight or dehydrating them selves.

My opinion is this a person should fight at or near their natural weight and I also believe not everyone will agree there should be less Division and a 20lbs gap eg a 125,145,165 etc if people think about it 2 things 1 the whole weight cutting issue started when they added more divisions 2 despite there being less weight classes back then no one had this problem.



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Post by westcott123 on Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:33 pm

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://mmajunkie.com/2018/02/why-cant-mma-have-unified-rules-that-are-actually-unified-ufc-on-fox-28-orlando-jeremy-stephens-josh-emmett&ved=0ahUKEwjq1Zve4cfZAhXHTbwKHfoUDLEQqQIIHigBMAA&usg=AOvVaw1OLL0hq307HPl48wEcqllW


What are you fellas opinions on this personally they should just allow knees to the head rizin 100% has the best rule set in today's mma. It is ironic people have no problem with knees to some one face in a standing or clinch position same with kicks as soon as it happens on the ground that's a dirty move someone will die.
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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:00 am

westcott123 wrote:https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://mmajunkie.com/2018/02/why-cant-mma-have-unified-rules-that-are-actually-unified-ufc-on-fox-28-orlando-jeremy-stephens-josh-emmett&ved=0ahUKEwjq1Zve4cfZAhXHTbwKHfoUDLEQqQIIHigBMAA&usg=AOvVaw1OLL0hq307HPl48wEcqllW


What are you fellas opinions on this personally they should just allow knees to the head rizin 100% has the best rule set in today's mma. It is ironic people have no problem with knees to some one face in a standing or clinch position same with kicks as soon as it happens on the ground that's a dirty move someone will die.

Having skimmed this, I've come to the conclusion that North American rules not only suck but are now confusing. I agree as it is a complete clusterfuck that some states have these rules while others have different ones. Just another reason to appreciate Rizin. Fuck it, just let them knee the head until their heart's content or the referee stops the fight. Even most zombies and journalist agree that knees to a grounded opponent should be legal.
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Post by CDF47 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:52 pm

Yeah, JMMA rules are way better than Unified Rules. I don't mind the Unified Rules as it offers a different element of the sport. I like the diversity in the fight game.

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Post by nodogoshi on Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:38 pm

Unified rules have some big problems. One of the main ones is the loophole, where a fighter can put one finger on the ground to save himself from being kneed in the head. One Championship, despite eliminating soccer kicks and stomps, has correctly maintained knees to a downed opponent.

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Post by CDF47 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:35 pm

nodogoshi wrote:Unified rules have some big problems. One of the main ones is the loophole, where a fighter can put one finger on the ground to save himself from being kneed in the head. One Championship, despite eliminating soccer kicks and stomps, has correctly maintained knees to a downed opponent.

I agree, that's a horrible rule.

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Post by westcott123 on Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:22 am

CDF47 wrote:
nodogoshi wrote:Unified rules have some big problems. One of the main ones is the loophole, where a fighter can put one finger on the ground to save himself from being kneed in the head. One Championship, despite eliminating soccer kicks and stomps, has correctly maintained knees to a downed opponent.

I agree, that's a horrible rule.

It is a stupid rule they put in putting a finger on the mat should not stop knees to the head. It is a shame one championship got rid off ground kicks, that is one the reason I support rizin over one fc and do believe rizin will take over as top dog in the Asian mma scene.
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Post by CDF47 on Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:29 pm

westcott123 wrote:
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nodogoshi wrote:Unified rules have some big problems. One of the main ones is the loophole, where a fighter can put one finger on the ground to save himself from being kneed in the head. One Championship, despite eliminating soccer kicks and stomps, has correctly maintained knees to a downed opponent.

I agree, that's a horrible rule.

It is a stupid rule they put in putting a finger on the mat should not stop knees to the head. It is a shame one championship got rid off ground kicks, that is one the reason I support rizin over one fc and do believe rizin will take over as top dog in the Asian mma scene.

Yeah, I'd like to see Rizin buyout ONE FC some day.

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