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Post by CDF47 on Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:42 pm

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CDF47 wrote:Marlon Moraes just scored one yesterday for Global-MMA with a first round head kick KO.  I think he should be getting a title shot next.

He should but it depends if Dillashaw wins and tries his bullshit with DJ again. What do you know? Another guy who was champion elsewhere is doing great in the UFC.

That's right, as is Volkov right now. Another top contender.

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CDF47 wrote:Marlon Moraes just scored one yesterday for Global-MMA with a first round head kick KO.  I think he should be getting a title shot next.

He should but it depends if Dillashaw wins and tries his bullshit with DJ again. What do you know? Another guy who was champion elsewhere is doing great in the UFC.

Marlon should be next but don't be surprised that they the ufc or tj try to push for the mighty mouse fight and of course as usual the zombies are all fans of Marlon of course a different story when he was the wsof champion.
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157024335105839&id=39228950838

What do people think of his gsp says it is still easy to get by usada.
1 of course if you're in the ufcs popular crowd your can get away with murder.
2 of course they are saying gsp is a roid user
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Post by CDF47 on Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:11 pm

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CDF47 wrote:Marlon Moraes just scored one yesterday for Global-MMA with a first round head kick KO.  I think he should be getting a title shot next.

He should but it depends if Dillashaw wins and tries his bullshit with DJ again. What do you know? Another guy who was champion elsewhere is doing great in the UFC.

Marlon should be next but don't be surprised that they the ufc or tj try to push for the mighty mouse fight and of course as usual the zombies are all fans of Marlon of course a different story when he was the wsof champion.

Yeah, he signed with the UFC and when the ink dried he gain his super MMA powers.

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Re: Bellator 200: Cro Cop vs Nelson 2 - May 25 (OFFICIAL DISCUSSION)

Post by CDF47 on Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:13 pm

westcott123 wrote:https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157024335105839&id=39228950838

What do people think of his gsp says it is still easy to get by usada.
1 of course if you're in the ufcs popular crowd your can get away with murder.
2 of course they are saying gsp is a roid user

Surprised he would say that. USADA seems pretty tough to beat. They catch all kinds of fighters on roids.

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Yeah, that is good for her and their family.

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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:20 pm

westcott123 wrote:https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157024335105839&id=39228950838

What do people think of his gsp says it is still easy to get by usada.
1 of course if you're in the ufcs popular crowd your can get away with murder.
2 of course they are saying gsp is a roid user

I don't know what to think. From what we've been seeing, I think some fighters need tips on getting by USADA cause they're failing miserably.
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Post by CDF47 on Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:14 am

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westcott123 wrote:https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157024335105839&id=39228950838

What do people think of his gsp says it is still easy to get by usada.
1 of course if you're in the ufcs popular crowd your can get away with murder.
2 of course they are saying gsp is a roid user

I don't know what to think. From what we've been seeing, I think some fighters need tips on getting by USADA cause they're failing miserably.

Same thing I was thinking. Maybe they have some new ways to beat the testing.

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Re: Bellator 200: Cro Cop vs Nelson 2 - May 25 (OFFICIAL DISCUSSION)

Post by westcott123 on Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:44 am

At the end of the day people will always find ways to cheat.
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Post by CDF47 on Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:04 am

westcott123 wrote:At the end of the day people will always find ways to cheat.

That's the truth. Especially with their livelihood and career constantly on the line. Losing a fight can be a major set back financially and career wise.

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Post by westcott123 on Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:38 am

^^ people don't think of that do they? ^^ the other problem is as I mentioned before is that mma fighters have that if I make it to the ufc everything will be sweet until they get there the prize money is not as good as they thought it was and they the ufc and its fans only barrack for certain kinds of fighters.
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westcott123 wrote:^^ people don't think of that do they? ^^ the other problem is as I mentioned before is that mma fighters have that if I make it to the ufc  everything will be sweet until they get there the prize money is not as good as they thought it was and they the ufc and its fans only barrack for certain kinds of fighters.

Yeah, I am sure many are disappointed. I wonder how Eddie felt now that his UFC contract is winding down. He did win the belt which was cool but I wonder if he made all that extra UFC money he thought he would be getting.

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Post by westcott123 on Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:23 pm

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/one-championship-declares-it-will-‘swallow-up’-ufc-as-battle-for-mma-supremacy-intensifies.3765643/page-2

It is something different that's the thing though an mma organization can be the top dog in one part of the world but not in a another part of the world. That is why the ufc always does lousy in Asian countries
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westcott123 wrote:http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/one-championship-declares-it-will-‘swallow-up’-ufc-as-battle-for-mma-supremacy-intensifies.3765643/page-2

It is something different that's the thing though an mma organization can be the top dog in one part of the world but not in a another part of the world. That is why the ufc always does lousy in Asian countries

Yeah, it's like they don't like the UFC brand there. It's a different culture, plus they are spoiled with PRIDE, K-1, DREAM, Sengoku, and RIZIN all these years. That production makes UFC look second rate.

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Post by westcott123 on Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:17 pm

That is true people let's be real ufc fans have this notion that the ufc is the big no matter were in the world, they always get a shock when a local event out does the ufc. Guaranteed if the ufc put on a show in Japan the same night as Rizin, Rizin would out do them.
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westcott123 wrote:That is true people let's be real ufc fans have this notion that the ufc is the big no matter were in the world, they always get a shock when a local event out does the ufc. Guaranteed if the ufc put on a show in Japan the same night as Rizin, Rizin would out do them.

Yeah, I think it wouldn't even be close. Rizin would probably smash them live and on TV.

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Yes and that would be a huge shock to the ufc fans you know "but" "but" "the ufc is the greatest thing since sliced bread how could it be out done by Rizin ff?"
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westcott123 wrote:http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/one-championship-declares-it-will-‘swallow-up’-ufc-as-battle-for-mma-supremacy-intensifies.3765643/page-2

It is something different that's the thing though an mma organization can be the top dog in one part of the world but not in a another part of the world. That is why the ufc always does lousy in Asian countries

Yeah, it's like they don't like the UFC brand there.  It's a different culture, plus they are spoiled with PRIDE, K-1, DREAM, Sengoku, and RIZIN all these years.  That production makes UFC look second rate.

Their reasoning is it is too pro wrestling the fire works ramp an awesome intro song yet they have cm punk on this weekends ufc card. Fuck it i pick Whitaker and rds the rest I don't care about.
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westcott123 wrote:Yes and that would be a huge shock to the ufc fans you know "but" "but" "the ufc is the greatest thing since sliced bread how could it be out done by Rizin ff?"

They'll blame the yakuza or that the Japanese don't want them there which is why they blame PRIDE for being shutdown. If only the mean Japanese would embrace Uncle Dana and The Fertittas, it'd be "business as usual".
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westcott123 wrote: it might be true apparently gegard has 4 fights left then he will retire from fighting.

His middleweight accomplishments does out weight his light heavyweight ones though still being a 3x champion in that division for a guy who probably walk around at 210lbs . With dream now it definitely wasn't at the level that pride was but how would people compare dream to Rizin ff? I liked dream but it was such a corny name for a mma organization.

I love the DREAM name as corny as it may be. I think they may have had the best theme not to take away from PRIDE.
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Yeah, they would definitely come up with some BS as to why UFC didn't dominate. I would like to see them go head to head now with Rizin in Japan.

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westcott123 wrote:Yes and that would be a huge shock to the ufc fans you know "but" "but" "the ufc is the greatest thing since sliced bread how could it be out done by Rizin ff?"

They'll blame the yakuza or that the Japanese don't want them there which is why they blame PRIDE for being shutdown. If only the mean Japanese would embrace Uncle Dana and The Fertittas, it'd be "business as usual".

Yes the classic "it is everyone else's fault except mine". It is a catch 22 isn't it Dana says things about another organization business etc then they are scratching their heads wondering why that particular business won't work with them. None can tell me the ufc and its fans are not the bullies of the mma world, they talk shit about fighters the ufc treats them like shit yet they still expect that fighter to just say more "master's". As for fedor being scared he wasn't scared even though pride had the best heavyweights though they will never get that through their thick fucking skulls he wasn't scared he just didn't like the attitude of Dana white and the ufc brass. I know "fedor was offered the biggest purse at the time" so they expected him to sell himself? That sounds like prostitution and it is the ufc brass are the pimps the fighters are the hookers and the crowd are the johns and Janes we will treat you like shit pay you shit but you have to entertain otherwise you will get punished.
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Post by westcott123 on Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:58 pm

As for mirko hopefully he can make a full recovery for some reason if this knee injury causes him to retire well hey what a way to go out. I do think mirko would have won the rematch with Roy Nelson. A prime mirko what a terminator in mma especially mma really the only man to really beat mirko was fedor big nog was a come from behind and Randleman was a shock lost later avenged.
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westcott123 wrote:Yes and that would be a huge shock to the ufc fans you know "but" "but" "the ufc is the greatest thing since sliced bread how could it be out done by Rizin ff?"

They'll blame the yakuza or that the Japanese don't want them there which is why they blame PRIDE for being shutdown. If only the mean Japanese would embrace Uncle Dana and The Fertittas, it'd be "business as usual".

Yes the classic "it is everyone else's fault except mine". It is a catch 22 isn't it Dana says things about another organization business etc then they are scratching their heads wondering why that particular business won't work with them. None can tell me the ufc and its fans are not the bullies of the mma world, they talk shit about fighters the ufc treats them like shit yet they still expect that fighter to just  say more "master's". As for fedor being scared he wasn't scared even though pride had the best heavyweights though they will never get that through their thick fucking skulls he wasn't scared he just didn't like the attitude of Dana white and the ufc brass. I know "fedor was offered the biggest purse at the time" so they expected him to sell himself? That sounds like prostitution and it is the ufc brass are the pimps the fighters are the hookers and the crowd are the johns and Janes we will treat you like shit pay you shit but you have to entertain otherwise you will get punished.

Again, I wish these assholes would realize if Fedor was scared, he would've went to UFC in 2002, not PRIDE. Again, PRIDE was 1, not just in Japan but around the world. Who would Fedor be scared of? Fighters like Sylvia and Arlovski who he thrashed? Guys like Big Nog, Cro Cop, & Herring? Guys who flamed out or can't stay healthy like Lesnar, Carwin, Velasquez, & JDS? Hell, Fedor doesn't need to be in UFC as he already holds wins over 6 former UFC champions.

The UFC and it's zombies are bullies. They always say fighters have to fight there in order to be considered worth a damn. UFC is known for having bullied the media and smearing promotions they view as a threat. One day, the UFC won't be number one anymore and I guarantee you everyone from fighters to trainers to the media will come out and speak their mind about how much they hated Dana and how horrible he & UFC were at times for the sport.
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