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Post by westcott123 on Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:31 am

Yes it is amazing what happens when the ufc can not buy out another promotion

Asia has one fc rizin ff road fc 
Europe ksw m1 global Acb  efn 
North America Bellator Pfl 

In reality there are numerous mma organizations each On here is a major Mma promotion regardless  what the zombies say.
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Post by CDF47 on Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:00 am

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westcott123 wrote:Hell mma itself would be great if the whole federation gets off and going.
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Yeah, look how UFC acted when the Federation was announced.  Like they didn't know what to do but smear Rizin every day and the org. didn't even hold their first event, LOL.
That was pathetic of them if the ufc is always the biggest and the best from day one as they seem to think then why do they need to talk shit about other organizations what are they so scared of? In people view how big can Bellator and rizin grow to be? Obviously I hope they grow into the two biggest promotions and have a partnership.

I think they definitely are scared Rizin in the long term.

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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:46 pm

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westcott123 wrote:
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westcott123 wrote:Hell mma itself would be great if the whole federation gets off and going.
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Yeah, look how UFC acted when the Federation was announced.  Like they didn't know what to do but smear Rizin every day and the org. didn't even hold their first event, LOL.
That was pathetic of them if the ufc is always the biggest and the best from day one as they seem to think then why do they need to talk shit about other organizations what are they so scared of? In people view how big can Bellator and rizin grow to be? Obviously I hope they grow into the two biggest promotions and have a partnership.

I think they definitely are scared Rizin in the long term.

They should. Think about it. What does it say when the big fight UFC is teasing is between Brock Lesnar and Jon Jones which will likely not happen? Seriously, this is the best they got right now. UFC 225 bombed with only 150,000 buys despite the fact it was one of the most stacked cards the promotion has had this year. UFC just seems like a mess and has no direction. For so long, they only had the claim of being the place where the best fight the best but that's clearly not the case anymore and even casuals know it as UFC saw a lot of top stars slip through their fingers. You can't keep up with the events and it feels like nothing but drama most notably Covington and McGregor's antics.
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Post by westcott123 on Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:06 am

That is all the ufc has now that Is their whole schtik they have to have fighters create drama in order to get anyone to have anyone Interested. When was the last time the ufc had a successful event that didn't involve two fighters going back and forth? Or one fighter talking shit eg McGregor aldo? Probably 2011 gsp vs shields. Hey i hope it keeps going let the ufc go down this path.

Those morons talk about pride Rizin hell Bellator being all pro rasslin yes there are pro wrestling aspects in those organizations they are theoretical yes these organizations have their share of bad blood none of them have to do a promo like brock Lesnar talk shit like McGregor or being obnoxious like colbyC
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Post by CDF47 on Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:09 am

Rocksoldier84 wrote:
CDF47 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:
CDF47 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:Hell mma itself would be great if the whole federation gets off and going.
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Yeah, look how UFC acted when the Federation was announced.  Like they didn't know what to do but smear Rizin every day and the org. didn't even hold their first event, LOL.
That was pathetic of them if the ufc is always the biggest and the best from day one as they seem to think then why do they need to talk shit about other organizations what are they so scared of? In people view how big can Bellator and rizin grow to be? Obviously I hope they grow into the two biggest promotions and have a partnership.

I think they definitely are scared Rizin in the long term.

They should. Think about it. What does it say when the big fight UFC is teasing is between Brock Lesnar and Jon Jones which will likely not happen? Seriously, this is the best they got right now. UFC 225 bombed with only 150,000 buys despite the fact it was one of the most stacked cards the promotion has had this year. UFC just seems like a mess and has no direction. For so long, they only had the claim of being the place where the best fight the best but that's clearly not the case anymore and even casuals know it as UFC saw a lot of top stars slip through their fingers. You can't keep up with the events and it feels like nothing but drama most notably Covington and McGregor's antics.

I didn't realize their buys were that low. I read the previous show, which was a weak card, only did 85,000 buys. People aren't going to pay for all these PPVs anymore at $60 each. UFC should stick to their TV deal primarily and then have maybe 3 or 4 major events each year for PPV. These events should have multiple title fights and just be super stacked. They should also drastically reduce their events each year and get rid of some divisions.

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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:38 am

westcott123 wrote:That is all the ufc has now that Is their whole schtik they have to have fighters create drama in order to get anyone to have anyone Interested. When was the last time the ufc had a successful event that didn't involve two fighters going back and forth? Or one fighter talking shit eg McGregor aldo? Probably 2011 gsp vs shields. Hey i hope it keeps going let the ufc go down this path.

Those morons talk about pride Rizin hell Bellator being all pro rasslin yes there are pro wrestling aspects in those organizations they are theoretical yes these organizations have their share of bad blood none of them have to do a promo like brock Lesnar talk shit like McGregor or being obnoxious like colbyC

Ironically, you're more likely to be different by being quiet than a loudmouth cause everybody is. Obviously, being annoying doesn't always work as Covington doesn't seem to be connecting and for good reason as he doesn't seem charismatic enough and is probably trying too hard so he either comes off racist to some and other times just desperate. He's going for cheap heat and he's at a point where he may have to start calling the audience fat or insult the sports teams.

Funny thing is look at many MMA legends and how many of them needed to trash talk? GSP, Fedor, Cro Cop, Anderson, Couture, etc. never needed to trash talk and they're big draw & stars. If anything, they're among some of the nicest guys in MMA.
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Post by CDF47 on Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:32 am

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westcott123 wrote:That is all the ufc has now that Is their whole schtik they have to have fighters create drama in order to get anyone to have anyone Interested. When was the last time the ufc had a successful event that didn't involve two fighters going back and forth? Or one fighter talking shit eg McGregor aldo? Probably 2011 gsp vs shields. Hey i hope it keeps going let the ufc go down this path.

Those morons talk about pride Rizin hell Bellator being all pro rasslin yes there are pro wrestling aspects in those organizations they are theoretical yes these organizations have their share of bad blood none of them have to do a promo like brock Lesnar talk shit like McGregor or being obnoxious like colbyC

Ironically, you're more likely to be different by being quiet than a loudmouth cause everybody is. Obviously, being annoying doesn't always work as Covington doesn't seem to be connecting and for good reason as he doesn't seem charismatic enough and is probably trying too hard so he either comes off racist to some and other times just desperate. He's going for cheap heat and he's at a point where he may have to start calling the audience fat or insult the sports teams.

Funny thing is look at many MMA legends and how many of them needed to trash talk? GSP, Fedor, Cro Cop, Anderson, Couture, etc. never needed to trash talk and they're big draw & stars. If anything, they're among some of the nicest guys in MMA.

Yeah, the more humble fighters are some of the biggest draws ever.  Could add Nog and Hendo to that list as well.

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Post by westcott123 on Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:03 am

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westcott123 wrote:That is all the ufc has now that Is their whole schtik they have to have fighters create drama in order to get anyone to have anyone Interested. When was the last time the ufc had a successful event that didn't involve two fighters going back and forth? Or one fighter talking shit eg McGregor aldo? Probably 2011 gsp vs shields. Hey i hope it keeps going let the ufc go down this path.

Those morons talk about pride Rizin hell Bellator being all pro rasslin yes there are pro wrestling aspects in those organizations they are theoretical yes these organizations have their share of bad blood none of them have to do a promo like brock Lesnar talk shit like McGregor or being obnoxious like colbyC

Ironically, you're more likely to be different by being quiet than a loudmouth cause everybody is. Obviously, being annoying doesn't always work as Covington doesn't seem to be connecting and for good reason as he doesn't seem charismatic enough and is probably trying too hard so he either comes off racist to some and other times just desperate. He's going for cheap heat and he's at a point where he may have to start calling the audience fat or insult the sports teams.

Funny thing is look at many MMA legends and how many of them needed to trash talk? GSP, Fedor, Cro Cop, Anderson, Couture, etc. never needed to trash talk and they're big draw & stars. If anything, they're among some of the nicest guys in MMA.
Well the ufc are the ones who endorse these kinds of fighters unfortunately there will be fighters who will won't sniff a title shot even if they are deserving of one. I do agree you do have to have something that people like those men you listed they all had some something fedor the ice cold heavyweight that could not be beaten the true goat 
Mirko the terminator with that deadly kick
Dan Henderson tough as nails that h bomb
Gsp the cerebral fighter 
Anderson silva with his dance moves. At the end of the day these guys fought and they are popular because of that. They didn't need trash talk. Like I said let them the ufc go down this path it just means that other promotions such as Bellator rizin acb ksw etc can get bigger in size.
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Post by CDF47 on Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:20 am

westcott123 wrote:
Rocksoldier84 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:That is all the ufc has now that Is their whole schtik they have to have fighters create drama in order to get anyone to have anyone Interested. When was the last time the ufc had a successful event that didn't involve two fighters going back and forth? Or one fighter talking shit eg McGregor aldo? Probably 2011 gsp vs shields. Hey i hope it keeps going let the ufc go down this path.

Those morons talk about pride Rizin hell Bellator being all pro rasslin yes there are pro wrestling aspects in those organizations they are theoretical yes these organizations have their share of bad blood none of them have to do a promo like brock Lesnar talk shit like McGregor or being obnoxious like colbyC

Ironically, you're more likely to be different by being quiet than a loudmouth cause everybody is. Obviously, being annoying doesn't always work as Covington doesn't seem to be connecting and for good reason as he doesn't seem charismatic enough and is probably trying too hard so he either comes off racist to some and other times just desperate. He's going for cheap heat and he's at a point where he may have to start calling the audience fat or insult the sports teams.

Funny thing is look at many MMA legends and how many of them needed to trash talk? GSP, Fedor, Cro Cop, Anderson, Couture, etc. never needed to trash talk and they're big draw & stars. If anything, they're among some of the nicest guys in MMA.
Well the ufc are the ones who endorse these kinds of fighters unfortunately there will be fighters who will won't sniff a title shot even if they are deserving of one. I do agree you do have to have something that people like those men you listed they all had some something fedor the ice cold heavyweight that could not be beaten the true goat 
Mirko the terminator with that deadly kick
Dan Henderson tough as nails that h bomb
Gsp the cerebral fighter 
Anderson silva with his dance moves. At the end of the day these guys fought and they are popular because of that. They didn't need trash talk. Like I said let them the ufc go down this path it just means that other promotions such as Bellator rizin acb ksw etc can get bigger in size.

Yeah, they really brought something to the sport. They are all legends listed.

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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:25 pm

westcott123 wrote:
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westcott123 wrote:That is all the ufc has now that Is their whole schtik they have to have fighters create drama in order to get anyone to have anyone Interested. When was the last time the ufc had a successful event that didn't involve two fighters going back and forth? Or one fighter talking shit eg McGregor aldo? Probably 2011 gsp vs shields. Hey i hope it keeps going let the ufc go down this path.

Those morons talk about pride Rizin hell Bellator being all pro rasslin yes there are pro wrestling aspects in those organizations they are theoretical yes these organizations have their share of bad blood none of them have to do a promo like brock Lesnar talk shit like McGregor or being obnoxious like colbyC

Ironically, you're more likely to be different by being quiet than a loudmouth cause everybody is. Obviously, being annoying doesn't always work as Covington doesn't seem to be connecting and for good reason as he doesn't seem charismatic enough and is probably trying too hard so he either comes off racist to some and other times just desperate. He's going for cheap heat and he's at a point where he may have to start calling the audience fat or insult the sports teams.

Funny thing is look at many MMA legends and how many of them needed to trash talk? GSP, Fedor, Cro Cop, Anderson, Couture, etc. never needed to trash talk and they're big draw & stars. If anything, they're among some of the nicest guys in MMA.
Well the ufc are the ones who endorse these kinds of fighters unfortunately there will be fighters who will won't sniff a title shot even if they are deserving of one. I do agree you do have to have something that people like those men you listed they all had some something fedor the ice cold heavyweight that could not be beaten the true goat 
Mirko the terminator with that deadly kick
Dan Henderson tough as nails that h bomb
Gsp the cerebral fighter 
Anderson silva with his dance moves. At the end of the day these guys fought and they are popular because of that. They didn't need trash talk. Like I said let them the ufc go down this path it just means that other promotions such as Bellator rizin acb ksw etc can get bigger in size.

You're right. Look at Mousasi. #4 Middleweight in their rankings and Dana White let him leave and wouldn't consider a raise because "he didn't sell tickets". Notice Mousasi didn't talk out of his ass and White looked at it as not selling tickets. It also shows what a shitty promoter Dana White is and why he's always been overrated. He's the promoter but I guess he feels he can't sell a quiet fighter.
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Post by CDF47 on Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:23 pm

Rocksoldier84 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:
Rocksoldier84 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:That is all the ufc has now that Is their whole schtik they have to have fighters create drama in order to get anyone to have anyone Interested. When was the last time the ufc had a successful event that didn't involve two fighters going back and forth? Or one fighter talking shit eg McGregor aldo? Probably 2011 gsp vs shields. Hey i hope it keeps going let the ufc go down this path.

Those morons talk about pride Rizin hell Bellator being all pro rasslin yes there are pro wrestling aspects in those organizations they are theoretical yes these organizations have their share of bad blood none of them have to do a promo like brock Lesnar talk shit like McGregor or being obnoxious like colbyC

Ironically, you're more likely to be different by being quiet than a loudmouth cause everybody is. Obviously, being annoying doesn't always work as Covington doesn't seem to be connecting and for good reason as he doesn't seem charismatic enough and is probably trying too hard so he either comes off racist to some and other times just desperate. He's going for cheap heat and he's at a point where he may have to start calling the audience fat or insult the sports teams.

Funny thing is look at many MMA legends and how many of them needed to trash talk? GSP, Fedor, Cro Cop, Anderson, Couture, etc. never needed to trash talk and they're big draw & stars. If anything, they're among some of the nicest guys in MMA.
Well the ufc are the ones who endorse these kinds of fighters unfortunately there will be fighters who will won't sniff a title shot even if they are deserving of one. I do agree you do have to have something that people like those men you listed they all had some something fedor the ice cold heavyweight that could not be beaten the true goat 
Mirko the terminator with that deadly kick
Dan Henderson tough as nails that h bomb
Gsp the cerebral fighter 
Anderson silva with his dance moves. At the end of the day these guys fought and they are popular because of that. They didn't need trash talk. Like I said let them the ufc go down this path it just means that other promotions such as Bellator rizin acb ksw etc can get bigger in size.

You're right. Look at Mousasi. #4 Middleweight in their rankings and Dana White let him leave and wouldn't consider a raise because "he didn't sell tickets". Notice Mousasi didn't talk out of his ass and White looked at it as not selling tickets. It also shows what a shitty promoter Dana White is and why he's always been overrated. He's the promoter but I guess he feels he can't sell a quiet fighter.

That's true and I could have pictured Mousasi with the UFC MW belt. I wouldn't have been surprised to see that.

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Post by westcott123 on Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:26 pm

They would say uh robert whittaker the ufc wants that new Zealand Australian market you can bet if they can they would replace him with someone more controversial.

Gegard could of been holding the belt you can bet that he would have to win 3 more times to get a shot at the belt meanwhile there would've been fighters who would get a shot after one win . Still gegard doe3sn't need to win the ufc belt to be ranked as one of the goat middle weight's.

He does have a impressive collection of belts and trophies to his name. As does numerous other fighters despite what the zombies say.
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Post by westcott123 on Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:19 pm

People like brad Pickett un retiring it shows that been in the ufc doesn't set you up for life. The zombies would say "he gets 500k" now take away tax then manager trainer or whatever else fees then everyday expenses especially fuel prices.


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westcott123 wrote:People like brad Pickett un retiring it shows that been in the ufc doesn't set you up for life. The zombies would say "he gets 500k" now take away tax then manager trainer or whatever else fees then everyday expenses.

Don't forget the reebok deal costing them sponsors.
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Post by westcott123 on Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:46 pm

Rocksoldier84 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:People like brad Pickett un retiring it shows that been in the ufc doesn't set you up for life. The zombies would say "he gets 500k" now take away tax then manager trainer or whatever else fees then everyday expenses.

Don't forget the reebok deal costing them sponsors.
Ah yes that as well as like I said I do not know why some mma fighters are so i have to be in the ufc obsession. After all the ufc will not be everyone best fit.
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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:56 pm

Now the UFC is teasing Lesnar at UFC 226 and that he could face the winner of Miocic/Cormier. They're really desperate if they're carting Lesnar out in 2018. Who cares about Lesnar anymore? At this point, would it be surprising if UFC tries to get in on the Liddell/Ortiz III fight?

Plus, they're now claiming the 150,000 buyrate for 225 wasn't real.
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Post by westcott123 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:16 am

Wow and the zombies have the gull to trash Bellator, rizin, pride, one fc etc I guess in their view it is only OK when the ufc does it.
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Post by westcott123 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:21 am

You can gurantee that if it was any other organizations they would act like that org is the worst thing ever and that the promoter is the spawn of Satan .
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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:50 am

At this point, the UFC and the zombies have no shame. They trash PRIDE and Bellator for freak show fights but made excuses for Kimbo, Toney, and Punk. Their rankings don't mean shit. They seem to have too many interim title fights in a desperate attempt to make cards worth more and TJ Dillashaw is trying to talk his way into a Flyweight Title fight.
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Post by westcott123 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:39 am

They just want mighty mouse to lose they don't care how Same As fedor so they can say "see see told you he  sucks". Rizin and Bellator are doing great by having less events though I would like to see Rizin do 8-10 in the near future .as well as the Federation becoming massive .
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westcott123 wrote:They just want mighty mouse to lose they don't care how Same As fedor so they can say "see see told you he  sucks". Rizin and Bellator are doing great by having less events though I would like to see Rizin do 8-10 in the near future .as well as the Federation becoming massive .

With fans like these.
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westcott123 wrote:They just want mighty mouse to lose they don't care how Same As fedor so they can say "see see told you he  sucks". Rizin and Bellator are doing great by having less events though I would like to see Rizin do 8-10 in the near future .as well as the Federation becoming massive .

With fans like these.
You don't need any enemies .
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^^ not to mention a bunch of fake arse fans ^^
There are heaps of examples 
Eddie alvarez they're alvarez fans yet a few years ago he was a b level fighter crushing cans.
2 fabricio werdum some were calling him the goat heavyweight yet he was a ufc reject 10 years ago
3 guys like Daniel cormier Luke Rockhold were strikefarce fighters.
There are numerous examples this is just some of them hell even ufc fighters aren't immune.
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westcott123 wrote:^^ not to mention a bunch of fake arse fans ^^
There are heaps of examples 
Eddie alvarez they're alvarez fans yet a few years ago he was a b level fighter crushing cans.
2 fabricio werdum some were calling him the goat heavyweight yet he was a ufc reject 10 years ago
3 guys like Daniel cormier Luke Rockhold were strikefarce fighters.
There are numerous examples this is just some of them hell even ufc fighters aren't immune.

Yeah, there are too many examples to even list. I use to send long lists of fighters that did well in the UFC after signing and a list of fighters that did poorly outside of UFC after leaving. I would also mention fighters that did average. This would shut them up usually.

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Re: Bellator 200: Cro Cop vs Nelson 2 - May 25 (OFFICIAL DISCUSSION)

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