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Post by CDF47 on Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:29 pm

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westcott123 wrote:Man Just imagine a person having the stand up skills of petrosyan the submission skills of roger gracie and the wrestling of Aleksandr karelin the boxing skills of sugar Ray Robinson Man that fighter would be undefeated in mma.

Of course such a fighter would be unbeatable.

But that kind of fighter is also impossible. (Except in a video game.)

The reason is that each of these are not only the respective best in their sports (is Roger Gracie? I don't know about BJJ much, but is he actually on the same level as the others? I'm actually not sure.)

Anyway, the reason it's impossible is that each of these fighters were not just incredibly skilled, incredible athletes, and incredibly well trained; they were also incredibly experienced in their sports, and that last one counts for a hell of a lot. They honed their skills through fights. Training isn't the same as competition.

There aren't enough days in the year, or years in life, for a single fighter to become truly experienced and elite in 4 different sports. MMA is a melting pot of sorts, but it is impressive when an elite athlete in wrestling or kickboxing becomes an elite fighter in MMA. They are true two sport athletes.

Combat sports is a little different from other sports. But what you are suggesting, is something like if Bo Jackson was not just an elite football and baseball player; but was also an elite basketball and ice hockey player (if we indeed we pretend that the scheduling was even possible. Let's pretend basketball was played in the summer, football in the fall, hockey in the winter, and baseball in the spring. So, we'll pretend it's technically possible. But that's pretty much what you are suggesting. But you are also suggesting that he is the best in each sport. He is Gretzky, Jordan, Bonds, and Deon Sanders.)

Just not a realistic conversation.

Just not realistic.

Some one that surprised me with learning stand-up is Jacare. He doesn't have the best stand-up but for a pure BJJ specialist to learn like he has is impressive. It was a nice finish against Weidman. This is no where near being the best in two sports though. Fedor is a well rounded fighter but he is solid in each area of MMA but not the Jordan and Gretzky, and Bonds of each.

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Post by westcott123 on Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:57 am

Yep even though it is a boxing people will tune in to see it. Will give rizin more international attention i digress i certainly hope that rizin doesn't have to do things like this to garner international attention .
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Post by westcott123 on Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:00 am

Though i mean don't get me wrong this will get people watching and new fans etc. They see an mma event in the ring and under a completely different rule set.
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Post by CDF47 on Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:26 pm

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Yep even though it is a boxing people will tune in to see it. Will give rizin more international attention i digress i certainly hope that rizin doesn't have to do things like this to garner international attention .

Yeah, I think it will be good for RIZIN. The event sold out in no time once Floyd was announced. People there follow Tenshin and he is in against the most popular combat sports athlete, Floyd Mayweather. I just hope they both come to fight for 3 rounds.

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Post by westcott123 on Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:00 pm

^^ i heard it was an exhibition match ^^
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Post by CDF47 on Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:10 pm

westcott123 wrote:^^ i heard it was an exhibition match ^^

It is but they could come to fight.

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Post by westcott123 on Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:56 am

Apart from them crowning champions soon be great if rizin does shows in other countries too i digress not every country will allow soccer kicks.

To be truthful for rizin to be a mega promotion like the ufc,one fc, bellator they do have to go to other countries and hold events there too.
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Post by CDF47 on Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:35 pm

westcott123 wrote:Apart from them crowning champions soon be great if rizin does shows in other countries too i digress not every country will allow soccer kicks.

To be truthful for rizin to be a mega promotion like the ufc,one fc, bellator they do have to go to other countries and hold events there too.

They could go to China and use their full rules. Some countries they will just have to adapt to.

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Re: Rizin 14 - Floyd Mayweather vs Nasukawa - December 31 (OFFICIAL DISCUSSION)

Post by Kingfedor on Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:22 pm


Kanna Asakura vs Ayaka Hamasaki set for Atomweight title match and Kazuyuki Miyata vs Erson Yamamoto set as Kid Memorial Match.

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Post by westcott123 on Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:10 am

Wow a title match in my view who ever wins will be the best atom weight in mma.
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Post by CDF47 on Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:52 am

westcott123 wrote:Wow a title match in my view who ever wins will be the best atom weight in mma.

Looks like the first Rizin title will be held. Hope they start doing this for all the divisions.

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Re: Rizin 14 - Floyd Mayweather vs Nasukawa - December 31 (OFFICIAL DISCUSSION)

Post by westcott123 on Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:20 am

^^same here ^^ they still have to do a light weight light heavyweight GP etc
Looks rizin Divisions are
Open weight 
Heavyweight
Light heavyweight
Light weight 
Bantam weight
Women's 
Open weight 
Atom weight. 
That's what i have been seeing i digress it might different when they crown though .
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Post by westcott123 on Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:06 am

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/in-retrospect-pride-jmma-as-a-whole-is-very-overrated.3867669/page-11#post-146786751


I'm not on sherdog so i will share my opinions here
So this person thinks that the ufc was the better organisation pride was pro wrasslin . Where do these people come from? Don't they look into the history of it?.

On the cans well it kept the fighters active i guess they prefer for them to fight once or twice a year. 

Title matches granted the belts should of been defended more often besides pride i assume rizin too is will be more about the GP. 

My view the belt doesn't have to be defended every fight but at least every 2nd to 4th match  

As for rizin it will be great if it can grow into a top 3/4 mma promotion.
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Post by CDF47 on Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:47 am

westcott123 wrote:^^same here ^^ they still have to do a light weight light heavyweight GP etc
Looks rizin Divisions are
Open weight 
Heavyweight
Light heavyweight
Light weight 
Bantam weight
Women's 
Open weight 
Atom weight. 
That's what i have been seeing i digress it might different when they crown though .

Yeah, those look like their divisions to me as well. We will have to see what they do.

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Post by CDF47 on Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:49 am

westcott123 wrote:http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/in-retrospect-pride-jmma-as-a-whole-is-very-overrated.3867669/page-11#post-146786751


I'm not on sherdog so i will share my opinions here
So this person thinks that the ufc was the better organisation pride was pro wrasslin . Where do these people come from? Don't they look into the history of it?.

On the cans well it kept the fighters active i guess they prefer for them to fight once or twice a year. 

Title matches granted the belts should of been defended more often besides pride i assume rizin too is will be more about the GP. 

My view the belt doesn't have to be defended every fight but at least every 2nd to 4th match  

As for rizin it will be great if it can grow into a top 3/4 mma promotion.

Yeah, there should have been more title matches but not a huge deal in my opinion.

Rizin as a top promotion sounds great. I'd like to see them be top 1 or 2 one day. I hope that is not just wishful thinking.

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Post by westcott123 on Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:17 pm

^^ same here i agree the next couple of years should give us an idea where rizin is^^
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Post by westcott123 on Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:41 pm

CDF47 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/in-retrospect-pride-jmma-as-a-whole-is-very-overrated.3867669/page-11#post-146786751


I'm not on sherdog so i will share my opinions here
So this person thinks that the ufc was the better organisation pride was pro wrasslin . Where do these people come from? Don't they look into the history of it?.

On the cans well it kept the fighters active i guess they prefer for them to fight once or twice a year. 

Title matches granted the belts should of been defended more often besides pride i assume rizin too is will be more about the GP. 

My view the belt doesn't have to be defended every fight but at least every 2nd to 4th match  

As for rizin it will be great if it can grow into a top 3/4 mma promotion.

Yeah, there should have been more title matches but not a huge deal in my opinion.  

Rizin as a top promotion sounds great.  I'd like to see them be top 1 or 2 one day.  I hope that is not just wishful thinking.
I agree on the title defences besides how is it any different to a ufc fighter who is the champion but fights sporadically?  At least you got to see fedor and wanderlei in the ring often.
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Post by CDF47 on Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:25 pm

westcott123 wrote:^^ same here i agree the next couple of years should give us an idea where rizin is^^

That sounds like a good figure, to see where they are at in 2 years from now.

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Post by CDF47 on Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:26 pm

westcott123 wrote:
CDF47 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/in-retrospect-pride-jmma-as-a-whole-is-very-overrated.3867669/page-11#post-146786751


I'm not on sherdog so i will share my opinions here
So this person thinks that the ufc was the better organisation pride was pro wrasslin . Where do these people come from? Don't they look into the history of it?.

On the cans well it kept the fighters active i guess they prefer for them to fight once or twice a year. 

Title matches granted the belts should of been defended more often besides pride i assume rizin too is will be more about the GP. 

My view the belt doesn't have to be defended every fight but at least every 2nd to 4th match  

As for rizin it will be great if it can grow into a top 3/4 mma promotion.

Yeah, there should have been more title matches but not a huge deal in my opinion.  

Rizin as a top promotion sounds great.  I'd like to see them be top 1 or 2 one day.  I hope that is not just wishful thinking.
I agree on the title defences besides how is it any different to a ufc fighter who is the champion but fights sporadically?  At least you got to see fedor and wanderlei in the ring often.

That's right. I remember they had busy schedules for PRIDE.

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Absolutely!

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Post by Kingfedor on Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:49 pm

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Kingfedor wrote:Press conference tonight

Nice. Maybe we will get more fight announcements.

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