GLOBAL-MMA Rankings (Outside UFC) - March 2013

^Lopes may be a legit replacement there.

Koreshkov should be in the top 10

Shahbulat Shamhalaev could also be in the top 10.

PRIDE FC wrote:Koreshkov should be in the top 10

He could end up being number 1 if he wins his title fight with Askren. Is this fight scheduled yet?

PRIDE FC wrote:Shahbulat Shamhalaev could also be in the top 10.

Yeah, Shah is a beast. He too could end up number 1 soon if he can take out Curran. I think he has a good shot at doing that. I'm going with Shah in the upset. He is real impressive. Could have a new top ranked fighter at 145 soon.

CDF47 wrote:

PRIDE FC wrote:Koreshkov should be in the top 10

He could end up being number 1 if he wins his title fight with Askren. Is this fight scheduled yet?

CDF47 wrote:

PRIDE FC wrote:Shahbulat Shamhalaev could also be in the top 10.

Yeah, Shah is a beast. He too could end up number 1 soon if he can take out Curran. I think he has a good shot at doing that. I'm going with Shah in the upset. He is real impressive. Could have a new top ranked fighter at 145 soon.

CDF47 is doing a great job!

To me, there should be a provision for Bellator tournament winners to get automatically put in the top 10. They are in arguably the #2 or #3 org with some guys on par or better than many, in some cases most, UFC fighters.

Tournament champs earn their way to title shots in Bellator which makes them their number one contenders really. If the champ is at or near the top of the Bellator contender list than tourney winner IMO should be there too.

My 2 cents... This is a hard thing to do making rankings from fighters in many orgs.

It will still take a far bit to perfect the gold standard formula for all of international MMA. That's why it's good to get input from committee (us) like CDF47's doing. Maybe at some point there is an official G-MMA Rankings Committee.

These guys do some cool stuff using a weighted system of orgs and competiton worldwide. 13 orgs all players everywhere. Maybe there are somethings we could customize and us in G-MMA's rankings??? Maybe not.



Official World Golf Ranking (Professional Golf Worldwide)

13 different tours/orgs worldwide with varying levels of competition 1000+ players...

The Official World Golf Ranking is a system for rating the performance level of male professional golfers (although there is no rule prohibiting women from being ranked). It was introduced in 1986 and is endorsed by the four major championships and six major professional tours, five of which are charter members of the International Federation of PGA Tours:

PGA Tour
European Tour
Asian Tour
PGA Tour of Australasia
Japan Golf Tour
Sunshine Tour
Web.com Tour, the official developmental tour for the PGA Tour
Challenge Tour, the official developmental tour for the European Tour
PGA Tour Canada
OneAsia Tour
Korean Tour
PGA Tour Latinoamérica
Asian Development Tour


Calculation of the rankings

1. Event & Org Ranking (a valuation (level) to each world golf tour/league + ranked players in the field)

The first stage in the calculation is the ranking of each event. For most events the ranking depends on the current world rankings of the participating golfers and the participation of the leading golfers from the "home tour".

A "world rating value" is calculated. Any golfer currently ranked in the world top 200 is given a rating value. The world number 1 is allocated 45, the number 2 is allocated 37, the number 3 is allocated 32, down to those ranked between 101 and 200 who are allocated a rating value of 1 each. The maximum possible world rating value is 925 but this would only happen if all the top 200 golfers were playing.

A "home tour rating value" is calculated. The leading 30 golfers from the previous year's "home tour" are given rating values. Major championships and WGC events use the current world top 30 list. The home tour number 1 is allocated 8 down to those from 16 to 30 who are allocated a rating value of 1 each. The maximum home tour rating value is 75 if all the top 30 players from the home tour are competing. The total home tour rating value is limited to 75% of the world rating value.

The world rating value and home tour rating value are added together to given a total rating value. This is then converted into an event ranking using a table. As examples, a total rating value of 10 converts to an event ranking of 10, a total rating value of 100 converts to an event ranking of 24, while a total rating value of 500 converts to an event ranking of 62.

Major championships have a fixed event ranking of 100 points. For each tour there is a minimum ranking for each event. In addition, most tours have a "flagship event" that is guaranteed a higher ranking.


Tour/Org Flagship Event
PGA Tour 24 The Players Championship 80
European Tour 24 BMW PGA Championship 64
Japan Golf Tour 16 Japan Open 32
PGA Tour of Australasia 16 (6) Australian Open 32
Sunshine Tour 14 (6/4) South African Open 32
Asian Tour 14 Thailand Golf Championship [3] 20
Web.com Tour 14 Web.com Tour Championship 20
Challenge Tour 12 Apulia San Domenico Grand Final 16
PGA Tour Canada 6 n/a n/a
OneAsia Tour 6 n/a n/a
PGA Tour Latinoamérica 6 n/a n/a
Korean Tour 6 n/a n/a
Asian Development Tour 6 n/a n/a


Starting in 2012, several events that previous had not received any points, will now do so: Sunshine Tour "Winter Series" – 6 points (72-hole events), 4 points (54-hole events), PGA Tour of Australasia "State Based and Regional Tournaments" – 6 points.[4]

Tournaments which are reduced to 54 holes by inclement weather or other factors retain full points, but if a tournament is reduced to 36 holes, its points allocation is reduced by 25%.

A further 16 tournaments had an event ranking from 50 to 58. Nine of these were PGA Tour events, while seven were European Tour events.


2. Player Rankings

Having calculated the ranking of the event, the ranking points of the players for that event can be calculated. The winner's ranking points are the same as the ranking of the event, so that major winners get 100 ranking points. The second place golfer gets 60% of this amount, 40% for 3rd, 30% for 4th, 24% for 5th, down to 14% for 10th, 7% for 20th, 3.5% for 40th to 1.5% for 60th. Players tied for a position share the points for those positions so that if, for example, two players tie for second place they would each receive 50%, the average of 60% and 40%.

A player's ranking points for an event must be at least 1.2. Players who would get less than this using the above formula get no ranking points. For example if an event has a ranking of 10 only the leading 12 players (and ties) receive any ranking points since the player in 12th place gets 12% of the event ranking (i.e. 1.2). The player in 13th position gets no points. The only exceptions to this system are in the major championships where all players who make the cut get a minimum of 1.5 ranking points.


3. Adjusted Rankings

For the first 13 weeks after an event the player receives the full ranking points earned in that event. However from then onwards they are reduced in equal weekly increments over the remainder of a two-year period. This gives priority to recent form. Each week the ranking points are reduced by a factor of 1/92 (approximately 1.09%) so that in week 14 only 98.91% of the ranking points are credited, continuing until week 104 when only 1.09% is credited. From week 105 the ranking points are completely lost.


4. Ranking Average

The player's adjusted points for all events in the two-year period are then added together, and this total is divided by the number of events to give the average ranking. However, players are subject to both a minimum and maximum number of events over the two-year period.

If a player competes in less than 40 tournaments over the two-year period his adjusted points total is divided by 40 and not the actual number of events he has played in.

As from 2010, a maximum number of tournaments is also used. The maximum number was initially set to 60 from January 2010 and was reduced by 2 every six months until it reached 52 in January 2012. This means that as of the start of 2012 only the player's 52 most recent tournaments (within the two-year period) will be used to calculate his ranking average.[20]

The resulting averages for all players are put into descending order to produce the ranking table. This means that the player who has obtained most cumulative success does not necessarily come top of the rankings: it is average performance levels that are important, and some golfers play substantially more tournaments than others. New rankings are released every Monday.
Importance of the rankings


Discussion caused by the "number one" ranking

On a few occasions the ranking system has caused discussion about whether it has produced the "right" World Number One. This usually occurs when the number one ranked player has not won a major championship during the ranking period, while a rival has won more than one—notably at the end of 1990, when Nick Faldo remained ranked just behind Greg Norman despite winning three majors in two years (and more world ranking points in total than his rival, albeit having entered more events). On that occasion, as detailed in Mark McCormack's "World of Professional Golf 1991" annual, it was also the case (but less immediately apparent) that Norman had won a total of 14 events during the ranking period to Faldo's 10, and when the two had competed in the same tournament, had finished ahead of his rival 19 times to 11, so Norman's number one position (on the new "average points" system) had some justification.

In April 1991, a quirk in the way the rankings treated results from previous years meant that Ian Woosnam, who had never won a major, took the number one spot from Faldo on the eve of the latter's attempt to win the Masters for a third year in succession; as if justifying the ranking system, Woosnam—and not Faldo—won the tournament. Twelve months later, Fred Couples similarly took over the number one ranking shortly before the 1992 Masters, then also went on to make that tournament his first major victory.

At the end of 1996 and 1997, Greg Norman had regained the top spot and remained narrowly ahead of first Tom Lehman, and then Tiger Woods and Ernie Els, in the rankings, despite his rivals enjoying major victories in those years while he won none. In 1996, Colin Montgomerie actually led the rankings in total points earned over the two-year period (but not on average points per event), and in 1997 Els was top of a similar "total points" list. To 2012, these are the last occasions on which the official year-end number one on average points has not also led on total points. In 1998, Woods himself finished the year ranked number one, after a season in which Mark O'Meara won two major titles while Woods won just once on the PGA Tour. In March 1999, David Duval briefly became world number one after winning The Players Championship, his sixth victory in a twelve-month period that came before his first major victory (which would follow two years later at the Open Championship).

In 2000, Tiger Woods had an unprecedented season of success that saw him earn 948 world ranking points in a single calendar year, so many points that even had his 1999 points (which represented the previous single-season record) been totally discounted from the calculation, Woods would still have had a points average easily high enough to lead the rankings - and Woods would still have led at the end of 2001 even had he earned no further points that year. Tiger Woods dominated the number one spot for the following five years, but when Vijay Singh won the PGA Championship in 2004 and with it took the number one ranking, that change highlighted the fact that Woods had not won a major for over two years, and also the extraordinary success Singh had recently on tour had that had allowed him to overtake the American. Woods responded by winning the very next major, the 2005 Masters, and with it regained the number one spot, which he would then retain for a further five years. Following knee surgery in the summer of 2008, Woods missed the entire second half of the year, while Pádraig Harrington won two major championships, to add to the Open Championship he won in 2007. Despite earning no further ranking points during his absence, Woods remained number one on the ranking system in December 2008.

During 2010, there was much debate as to whether Woods' continued retention of the number one ranking (which he held up until the end of October) was justified given his relatively poor form—Woods finished fourth in two major championships in 2010, but failed to finish in the top ten of any other events he entered. During the 2010 season, several of his rivals for the number one spot - including Masters champion Phil Mickelson (who had won four majors since 2004 but had yet to reach number one in the rankings), Lee Westwood (who had yet to win a major but had finished second in both the Masters and Open Championships in 2010), and then Martin Kaymer (who had won the PGA Championship among four worldwide wins)— each missed opportunities to win particular events that would have taken them above Woods, before Westwood finally became world number one on October 31.

During 2011, the possession of the number one ranking would be the subject of much discussion among European golf commentators as it passed from Westwood to Kaymer, back to Westwood and then in May to Luke Donald. Donald became the first ever golfer to climb to number one before having won or finished runner-up in a major championship in his career, although he did replace Westwood as number one by defeating him in a playoff for the BMW PGA Championship, the first time it had changed hands in so dramatic a fashion. Donald's consistency through the rest of the 2011 season—becoming the first golfer ever to win the money title on both the European and PGA Tours in the same season—would keep him in the number one position, despite not gaining his maiden major victory.

In March 2012, Donald lost the number one position to Rory McIlroy; the pair then exchanged the number one position a further four times in the following two months, so the volatility of the number one ranking again became a source of comment. At the end of 2012, McIlroy's possession of the number one ranking (following his second major win, at the PGA Championship) was undisputed.

A professional golfer's ranking is of considerable significance to his career. For example, a ranking in the World Top 50 explicitly grants automatic entry to three of the four majors and three of the four current World Golf Championships; see table below. Also, ranking points are the sole criterion for selection for the International Team in the Presidents Cup and one of the qualification criteria for the European Ryder Cup team. The rankings are also used to help select the field for various other tournaments.

http://www.officialworldgolfranking.com/rankings/default.sps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_World_Golf_Ranking

I say we setup a panel of long standing members to vote Cd presents us with his rankings the panel discusses and the after all is settled rankings are posted.

Dagwood wrote:

CDF47 wrote:

PRIDE FC wrote:Koreshkov should be in the top 10

He could end up being number 1 if he wins his title fight with Askren. Is this fight scheduled yet?

CDF47 wrote:

PRIDE FC wrote:Shahbulat Shamhalaev could also be in the top 10.

Yeah, Shah is a beast. He too could end up number 1 soon if he can take out Curran. I think he has a good shot at doing that. I'm going with Shah in the upset. He is real impressive. Could have a new top ranked fighter at 145 soon.

CDF47 is doing a great job!

To me, there should be a provision for Bellator tournament winners to get automatically put in the top 10. They are in arguably the #2 or #3 org with some guys on par or better than many, in some cases most, UFC fighters.

Tournament champs earn their way to title shots in Bellator which makes them their number one contenders really. If the champ is at or near the top of the Bellator contender list than tourney winner IMO should be there too.

My 2 cents... This is a hard thing to do making rankings from fighters in many orgs.

It will still take a far bit to perfect the gold standard formula for all of international MMA. That's why it's good to get input from committee (us) like CDF47's doing. Maybe at some point there is an official G-MMA Rankings Committee.

Thanks Dag. Yeah, that makes sense. I put many of the champs from the top orgs. into the top 10 so this would be similar. As they continue to win tournaments, I will give them the bump into the top 10.

Dagwood wrote:These guys do some cool stuff using a weighted system of orgs and competiton worldwide. 13 orgs all players everywhere. Maybe there are somethings we could customize and us in G-MMA's rankings??? Maybe not.



Official World Golf Ranking (Professional Golf Worldwide)

13 different tours/orgs worldwide with varying levels of competition 1000+ players...

The Official World Golf Ranking is a system for rating the performance level of male professional golfers (although there is no rule prohibiting women from being ranked). It was introduced in 1986 and is endorsed by the four major championships and six major professional tours, five of which are charter members of the International Federation of PGA Tours:

PGA Tour
European Tour
Asian Tour
PGA Tour of Australasia
Japan Golf Tour
Sunshine Tour
Web.com Tour, the official developmental tour for the PGA Tour
Challenge Tour, the official developmental tour for the European Tour
PGA Tour Canada
OneAsia Tour
Korean Tour
PGA Tour Latinoamérica
Asian Development Tour


Calculation of the rankings

1. Event & Org Ranking (a valuation (level) to each world golf tour/league + ranked players in the field)

The first stage in the calculation is the ranking of each event. For most events the ranking depends on the current world rankings of the participating golfers and the participation of the leading golfers from the "home tour".

A "world rating value" is calculated. Any golfer currently ranked in the world top 200 is given a rating value. The world number 1 is allocated 45, the number 2 is allocated 37, the number 3 is allocated 32, down to those ranked between 101 and 200 who are allocated a rating value of 1 each. The maximum possible world rating value is 925 but this would only happen if all the top 200 golfers were playing.

A "home tour rating value" is calculated. The leading 30 golfers from the previous year's "home tour" are given rating values. Major championships and WGC events use the current world top 30 list. The home tour number 1 is allocated 8 down to those from 16 to 30 who are allocated a rating value of 1 each. The maximum home tour rating value is 75 if all the top 30 players from the home tour are competing. The total home tour rating value is limited to 75% of the world rating value.

The world rating value and home tour rating value are added together to given a total rating value. This is then converted into an event ranking using a table. As examples, a total rating value of 10 converts to an event ranking of 10, a total rating value of 100 converts to an event ranking of 24, while a total rating value of 500 converts to an event ranking of 62.

Major championships have a fixed event ranking of 100 points. For each tour there is a minimum ranking for each event. In addition, most tours have a "flagship event" that is guaranteed a higher ranking.


Tour/Org Flagship Event
PGA Tour 24 The Players Championship 80
European Tour 24 BMW PGA Championship 64
Japan Golf Tour 16 Japan Open 32
PGA Tour of Australasia 16 (6) Australian Open 32
Sunshine Tour 14 (6/4) South African Open 32
Asian Tour 14 Thailand Golf Championship [3] 20
Web.com Tour 14 Web.com Tour Championship 20
Challenge Tour 12 Apulia San Domenico Grand Final 16
PGA Tour Canada 6 n/a n/a
OneAsia Tour 6 n/a n/a
PGA Tour Latinoamérica 6 n/a n/a
Korean Tour 6 n/a n/a
Asian Development Tour 6 n/a n/a


Starting in 2012, several events that previous had not received any points, will now do so: Sunshine Tour "Winter Series" – 6 points (72-hole events), 4 points (54-hole events), PGA Tour of Australasia "State Based and Regional Tournaments" – 6 points.[4]

Tournaments which are reduced to 54 holes by inclement weather or other factors retain full points, but if a tournament is reduced to 36 holes, its points allocation is reduced by 25%.

A further 16 tournaments had an event ranking from 50 to 58. Nine of these were PGA Tour events, while seven were European Tour events.


2. Player Rankings

Having calculated the ranking of the event, the ranking points of the players for that event can be calculated. The winner's ranking points are the same as the ranking of the event, so that major winners get 100 ranking points. The second place golfer gets 60% of this amount, 40% for 3rd, 30% for 4th, 24% for 5th, down to 14% for 10th, 7% for 20th, 3.5% for 40th to 1.5% for 60th. Players tied for a position share the points for those positions so that if, for example, two players tie for second place they would each receive 50%, the average of 60% and 40%.

A player's ranking points for an event must be at least 1.2. Players who would get less than this using the above formula get no ranking points. For example if an event has a ranking of 10 only the leading 12 players (and ties) receive any ranking points since the player in 12th place gets 12% of the event ranking (i.e. 1.2). The player in 13th position gets no points. The only exceptions to this system are in the major championships where all players who make the cut get a minimum of 1.5 ranking points.


3. Adjusted Rankings

For the first 13 weeks after an event the player receives the full ranking points earned in that event. However from then onwards they are reduced in equal weekly increments over the remainder of a two-year period. This gives priority to recent form. Each week the ranking points are reduced by a factor of 1/92 (approximately 1.09%) so that in week 14 only 98.91% of the ranking points are credited, continuing until week 104 when only 1.09% is credited. From week 105 the ranking points are completely lost.


4. Ranking Average

The player's adjusted points for all events in the two-year period are then added together, and this total is divided by the number of events to give the average ranking. However, players are subject to both a minimum and maximum number of events over the two-year period.

If a player competes in less than 40 tournaments over the two-year period his adjusted points total is divided by 40 and not the actual number of events he has played in.

As from 2010, a maximum number of tournaments is also used. The maximum number was initially set to 60 from January 2010 and was reduced by 2 every six months until it reached 52 in January 2012. This means that as of the start of 2012 only the player's 52 most recent tournaments (within the two-year period) will be used to calculate his ranking average.[20]

The resulting averages for all players are put into descending order to produce the ranking table. This means that the player who has obtained most cumulative success does not necessarily come top of the rankings: it is average performance levels that are important, and some golfers play substantially more tournaments than others. New rankings are released every Monday.
Importance of the rankings


Discussion caused by the "number one" ranking

On a few occasions the ranking system has caused discussion about whether it has produced the "right" World Number One. This usually occurs when the number one ranked player has not won a major championship during the ranking period, while a rival has won more than one—notably at the end of 1990, when Nick Faldo remained ranked just behind Greg Norman despite winning three majors in two years (and more world ranking points in total than his rival, albeit having entered more events). On that occasion, as detailed in Mark McCormack's "World of Professional Golf 1991" annual, it was also the case (but less immediately apparent) that Norman had won a total of 14 events during the ranking period to Faldo's 10, and when the two had competed in the same tournament, had finished ahead of his rival 19 times to 11, so Norman's number one position (on the new "average points" system) had some justification.

In April 1991, a quirk in the way the rankings treated results from previous years meant that Ian Woosnam, who had never won a major, took the number one spot from Faldo on the eve of the latter's attempt to win the Masters for a third year in succession; as if justifying the ranking system, Woosnam—and not Faldo—won the tournament. Twelve months later, Fred Couples similarly took over the number one ranking shortly before the 1992 Masters, then also went on to make that tournament his first major victory.

At the end of 1996 and 1997, Greg Norman had regained the top spot and remained narrowly ahead of first Tom Lehman, and then Tiger Woods and Ernie Els, in the rankings, despite his rivals enjoying major victories in those years while he won none. In 1996, Colin Montgomerie actually led the rankings in total points earned over the two-year period (but not on average points per event), and in 1997 Els was top of a similar "total points" list. To 2012, these are the last occasions on which the official year-end number one on average points has not also led on total points. In 1998, Woods himself finished the year ranked number one, after a season in which Mark O'Meara won two major titles while Woods won just once on the PGA Tour. In March 1999, David Duval briefly became world number one after winning The Players Championship, his sixth victory in a twelve-month period that came before his first major victory (which would follow two years later at the Open Championship).

In 2000, Tiger Woods had an unprecedented season of success that saw him earn 948 world ranking points in a single calendar year, so many points that even had his 1999 points (which represented the previous single-season record) been totally discounted from the calculation, Woods would still have had a points average easily high enough to lead the rankings - and Woods would still have led at the end of 2001 even had he earned no further points that year. Tiger Woods dominated the number one spot for the following five years, but when Vijay Singh won the PGA Championship in 2004 and with it took the number one ranking, that change highlighted the fact that Woods had not won a major for over two years, and also the extraordinary success Singh had recently on tour had that had allowed him to overtake the American. Woods responded by winning the very next major, the 2005 Masters, and with it regained the number one spot, which he would then retain for a further five years. Following knee surgery in the summer of 2008, Woods missed the entire second half of the year, while Pádraig Harrington won two major championships, to add to the Open Championship he won in 2007. Despite earning no further ranking points during his absence, Woods remained number one on the ranking system in December 2008.

During 2010, there was much debate as to whether Woods' continued retention of the number one ranking (which he held up until the end of October) was justified given his relatively poor form—Woods finished fourth in two major championships in 2010, but failed to finish in the top ten of any other events he entered. During the 2010 season, several of his rivals for the number one spot - including Masters champion Phil Mickelson (who had won four majors since 2004 but had yet to reach number one in the rankings), Lee Westwood (who had yet to win a major but had finished second in both the Masters and Open Championships in 2010), and then Martin Kaymer (who had won the PGA Championship among four worldwide wins)— each missed opportunities to win particular events that would have taken them above Woods, before Westwood finally became world number one on October 31.

During 2011, the possession of the number one ranking would be the subject of much discussion among European golf commentators as it passed from Westwood to Kaymer, back to Westwood and then in May to Luke Donald. Donald became the first ever golfer to climb to number one before having won or finished runner-up in a major championship in his career, although he did replace Westwood as number one by defeating him in a playoff for the BMW PGA Championship, the first time it had changed hands in so dramatic a fashion. Donald's consistency through the rest of the 2011 season—becoming the first golfer ever to win the money title on both the European and PGA Tours in the same season—would keep him in the number one position, despite not gaining his maiden major victory.

In March 2012, Donald lost the number one position to Rory McIlroy; the pair then exchanged the number one position a further four times in the following two months, so the volatility of the number one ranking again became a source of comment. At the end of 2012, McIlroy's possession of the number one ranking (following his second major win, at the PGA Championship) was undisputed.

A professional golfer's ranking is of considerable significance to his career. For example, a ranking in the World Top 50 explicitly grants automatic entry to three of the four majors and three of the four current World Golf Championships; see table below. Also, ranking points are the sole criterion for selection for the International Team in the Presidents Cup and one of the qualification criteria for the European Ryder Cup team. The rankings are also used to help select the field for various other tournaments.

http://www.officialworldgolfranking.com/rankings/default.sps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_World_Golf_Ranking

I discussed this months ago with a golf fan at work but it seemed a bit complicated.

Dagwood wrote:

CDF47 wrote:

PRIDE FC wrote:Koreshkov should be in the top 10

He could end up being number 1 if he wins his title fight with Askren. Is this fight scheduled yet?

CDF47 wrote:

PRIDE FC wrote:Shahbulat Shamhalaev could also be in the top 10.

Yeah, Shah is a beast. He too could end up number 1 soon if he can take out Curran. I think he has a good shot at doing that. I'm going with Shah in the upset. He is real impressive. Could have a new top ranked fighter at 145 soon.

CDF47 is doing a great job!

To me, there should be a provision for Bellator tournament winners to get automatically put in the top 10. They are in arguably the #2 or #3 org with some guys on par or better than many, in some cases most, UFC fighters.

Tournament champs earn their way to title shots in Bellator which makes them their number one contenders really. If the champ is at or near the top of the Bellator contender list than tourney winner IMO should be there too.

One more thought on the Bellator tournament winners: About the only time it wouldn't make sense to place a Bellator tournament winner in the top 10 is if someone that recently beat the tournament winner sits at number 10 or in a top spot in the contenders. Say if three fights prior to their tournament win they were smashed by the number 10 ranked fighter and that fighter either continued winning or didn't fight since, it would be difficult to justify placing the tournament winner above him.

PRIDE NEVER DIE wrote:I say we setup a panel of long standing members to vote Cd presents us with his rankings the panel discusses and the after all is settled rankings are posted.

That could work but these threads are setup for discussion similar to that right now. The main issue I can see is the timing of getting everyone's vote and then the time it takes to adjust the rankings and post on Sunday. I post on the first Sunday of the month because I usually have some free time on those days. Just to review the rankings, check that no one fought that I may have missed, copy the rankings here, adjust the format, and submit them with the stats is about a 1 1/2 hour process the day they are posted. This is on top the time it takes to update them each week as fights happen and to write a quick summary explanation of how the rankings adjusted throughout the month. Fights happen usually right up until that final Saturday and sometimes the Sunday of the posting where the rankings are adjusted so it would be difficult to schedule a review period on Sunday morning and then make all the changes based on responses. It is easier to just use this thread for input into the rankings. This could be modified somehow but the real time discussions are faster than a review and revision process.

Suggested Updates

1. Brett Cooper should be in the contenders section after beating Cramer.
2. Fitch signed with WSOF
3. Isn't Zavurov a lightweight now?
4. Palelei signed with UFC so he's off the list.

I think there should be a way where both kind of rankings are implemented, somehow.

An official ranking along with a roundtable, almost like separate threads.

Sonatine wrote:Suggested Updates

1. Brett Cooper should be in the contenders section after beating Cramer.
2. Fitch signed with WSOF
3. Isn't Zavurov a lightweight now?
4. Palelei signed with UFC so he's off the list.

Yup, I got Cooper listed, added WSOF to Fitch, and took out Soa for next month. Are you sure about Zavurov being LW? I don't remember seeing that.

wekka wrote:I think there should be a way where both kind of rankings are implemented, somehow.

An official ranking along with a roundtable, almost like separate threads.

Yeah, that's possible.

CDF47 wrote:

Sonatine wrote:Suggested Updates

1. Brett Cooper should be in the contenders section after beating Cramer.
2. Fitch signed with WSOF
3. Isn't Zavurov a lightweight now?
4. Palelei signed with UFC so he's off the list.

Yup, I got Cooper listed, added WSOF to Fitch, and took out Soa for next month. Are you sure about Zavurov being LW? I don't remember seeing that.

http://www.bellator.com/FighterBio.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=23600&FIGHTER_ID=1007937

He also fought JP Vanikainen, who is a lightweight, in his last fight. Could have been a catchweight, but Wiki also lists him as Lightweight at present too (I know Wiki is a stretch though).

Sonatine wrote:

CDF47 wrote:

Sonatine wrote:Suggested Updates

1. Brett Cooper should be in the contenders section after beating Cramer.
2. Fitch signed with WSOF
3. Isn't Zavurov a lightweight now?
4. Palelei signed with UFC so he's off the list.

Yup, I got Cooper listed, added WSOF to Fitch, and took out Soa for next month. Are you sure about Zavurov being LW? I don't remember seeing that.

http://www.bellator.com/FighterBio.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=23600&FIGHTER_ID=1007937

He also fought JP Vanikainen, who is a lightweight, in his last fight. Could have been a catchweight, but Wiki also lists him as Lightweight at present too (I know Wiki is a stretch though).

He will probably be fighting in the Summer Series for Bellator I would guess. I don't think they ever listed which tournament he will be in. If they announce him for LW, I will move him over. I hope he stays at WW though. So many solid LWs, it would be hard to place him. Thanks.

AA vs. Rumble coming up Saturday. Rumble plans to stay at 205 after so he won't be ranked at HW with a win but AA could move up with a win. Can't wait for this one.

Do you guys think the AA/Rumble fight should effect the rankings. Rumble plans to remain at 205 permanently and this fight was at HW. Should he move up 2 in the LHW division with this performance?

Should AA drop 1 or 2?

CDF47 wrote:Do you guys think the AA/Rumble fight should effect the rankings. Rumble plans to remain at 205 permanently and this fight was at HW. Should he move up 2 in the LHW division with this performance?

Should AA drop 1 or 2?

well imo should not be movement on the rankings......

rumble will be at 205 i really think that he should be ranked higher even without counting this fight...

arlovski should not drop beacuse we will never know if the fighters ranked above him would have done vs rumble....stand still

MR.WILLIE wrote:

CDF47 wrote:Do you guys think the AA/Rumble fight should effect the rankings. Rumble plans to remain at 205 permanently and this fight was at HW. Should he move up 2 in the LHW division with this performance?

Should AA drop 1 or 2?

well imo should not be movement on the rankings......

rumble will be at 205 i really think that he should be ranked higher even without counting this fight...

arlovski should not drop beacuse we will never know if the fighters ranked above him would have done vs rumble....stand still

Sounds right to me. That makes the most sense. I think AA deserves to stay above Russow and the fight was at HW so shouldn't effect LHW rankings. Solid performance by Rumble though. Looking forward to his next fight at 205.

Looks like Burkman deserves a spot at 170 for sure.

Moraes will be making a leap on upward. Looked like a beast tonight.

I hope WSOF starts crowning some champs. They have some really solid fighters. Moraes, Rumble, and Burkman/Fitch should be fighting for some belts. Possibly Branch as well and Thales Leites if he gets some WSOF wins.

They should make AA vs. Rolles Gracie fight next at HW.

They also have a solid new LW...Justin Gaethje was impressive as hell.

CDF47 wrote:

MR.WILLIE wrote:

CDF47 wrote:Do you guys think the AA/Rumble fight should effect the rankings. Rumble plans to remain at 205 permanently and this fight was at HW. Should he move up 2 in the LHW division with this performance?

Should AA drop 1 or 2?

well imo should not be movement on the rankings......

rumble will be at 205 i really think that he should be ranked higher even without counting this fight...

arlovski should not drop beacuse we will never know if the fighters ranked above him would have done vs rumble....stand still

Sounds right to me. That makes the most sense. I think AA deserves to stay above Russow and the fight was at HW so shouldn't effect LHW rankings. Solid performance by Rumble though. Looking forward to his next fight at 205.

Looks like Burkman deserves a spot at 170 for sure.

Moraes will be making a leap on upward. Looked like a beast tonight.

I hope WSOF starts crowning some champs. They have some really solid fighters. Moraes, Rumble, and Burkman/Fitch should be fighting for some belts. Possibly Branch as well and Thales Leites if he gets some WSOF wins.

They should make AA vs. Rolles Gracie fight next at HW.

They also have a solid new LW...Justin Gaethje was impressive as hell.

i agree...........burkman is highly underrated, but he is a beast....

speaking of beasts marlon moraes is a monster


the main event was great

gaethje should be a contender imo....

filho needs to retire....

rolles vs huckaba is official for wsof 3....

arlovski will be out for a while with that broken jaw for sure

Filho looked really bad....

that is not the same guy I remember in Pride.

Burkman looked great and Moraes is going to be a tough guy to beat.

MR.WILLIE wrote:

CDF47 wrote:

MR.WILLIE wrote:

CDF47 wrote:Do you guys think the AA/Rumble fight should effect the rankings. Rumble plans to remain at 205 permanently and this fight was at HW. Should he move up 2 in the LHW division with this performance?

Should AA drop 1 or 2?

well imo should not be movement on the rankings......

rumble will be at 205 i really think that he should be ranked higher even without counting this fight...

arlovski should not drop beacuse we will never know if the fighters ranked above him would have done vs rumble....stand still

Sounds right to me. That makes the most sense. I think AA deserves to stay above Russow and the fight was at HW so shouldn't effect LHW rankings. Solid performance by Rumble though. Looking forward to his next fight at 205.

Looks like Burkman deserves a spot at 170 for sure.

Moraes will be making a leap on upward. Looked like a beast tonight.

I hope WSOF starts crowning some champs. They have some really solid fighters. Moraes, Rumble, and Burkman/Fitch should be fighting for some belts. Possibly Branch as well and Thales Leites if he gets some WSOF wins.

They should make AA vs. Rolles Gracie fight next at HW.

They also have a solid new LW...Justin Gaethje was impressive as hell.

i agree...........burkman is highly underrated, but he is a beast....

speaking of beasts marlon moraes is a monster


the main event was great

gaethje should be a contender imo....

filho needs to retire....

rolles vs huckaba is official for wsof 3....

arlovski will be out for a while with that broken jaw for sure

I have been real impressed with Burkman recently. Looking forward to his rematch with Fitch...hopefully for the belt.

Yeah, the main event was a great battle. AA is a f**king warrior. To battle through two rounds with a broken jaw and about 3 or 4 missing teeth, now that is impressive. Much much respect to him. True fighter right there.

Moraes is now one of the top 2 best BWs outside UFC. He deserves that WSOF title fight.

Gaethje could be bumping Woodard. I never seen him fight before until yesterday and damn was he impressive. I wasn't expecting that.

Yup, Filho is done, sad to say. His head is not in this game which is a dangerous thing in a fight sport like this.

Looking forward to seeing Rolles return. He is also suppose to be fighting at ONE FC as well so he's keeping busy. He has to be a top contender for a HW title fight when they have one.

Yeah, I don't expect to see AA for a while. He will need a lot of time to heal up from that fight.