Re: Vadim explains why he lets M-1 fighters go to the UFC

Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:02 am

Dagwood wrote:

KSW wrote:I agree with fka, letting your stars go to the UFC doesn´t help M-1 at all it only helps the UFC. If a boxing promotion let their stars sign with Golden Boy Promotions does that help them?

Well Vadim has to tweek things so that he can put up enough money to keep his guys in Russia. The bad part is most of them think Zuffa's street is paved in gold. I also understand them wanting to test themselves against top UFC guys. Their sportsmen like Fedor.

The only thing that will work in the long run in keeping all the top talent in Russia or Poland or Asia is if all the top orgs band together. Rule their own markets with regional fighters & then have regular huge world cup/multi-promotion/top fighters from all-type of events all over the world. That will build up to be bigger than the UFC ever could and make national professional MMA strong in each of those areas. Plus, they should try to shut the UFC out with local government MMA regulatory sanctioning like in Russia now. Or, at least make it a hard pill to swallow sanctioning-wise with the local regulations. The UFC is not going to change their rules and use Russian refs & Russian judges. They'll never ever go there. You could do that in Poland, in Japan, in China, and everywhere. But, all the big international players will have to band together. Dagwood could broker the deal. 8)

Some smart thinking here

Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:33 am

Good on him. It's obvious M-1 can't hand out the paychecks the UFC can, and doesn't offer the same kind of sponsorship opportunities. Let your young guys go and continue their careers in whatever way they see fit, be it staying with M-1, or going to a bigger org like KSW or the UFC.

Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:58 am

eXtv wrote:Good on him. It's obvious M-1 can't hand out the paychecks the UFC can, and doesn't offer the same kind of sponsorship opportunities. Let your young guys go and continue their careers in whatever way they see fit, be it staying with M-1, or going to a bigger org like KSW or the UFC.

KSW is not a larger organization than M-1.

M-1 holds 2-3 times more events per year getting 10K, 15K, and even 20K attendance. KSW gets 10K-15K for less shows. M-1 gets 1M+ viewers (3M-4M a few times) for each event in Russia alone, at least double that with all the Russian speaking former-Soviet republics. KSW gets 3M-4M viewers for less events. M-1 has a popular TV show that is way better than TUF and is actuality all about fighting, training, technique, & more... M-1 has a lot more fighters under contract than KSW.

M-1 is the second largest & most popular MMA organization in the world. They've done 150+ major MMA events since their inception in 1997. Those are UFC numbers.

Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:17 am

Dagwood wrote:

eXtv wrote:Good on him. It's obvious M-1 can't hand out the paychecks the UFC can, and doesn't offer the same kind of sponsorship opportunities. Let your young guys go and continue their careers in whatever way they see fit, be it staying with M-1, or going to a bigger org like KSW or the UFC.

KSW is not a larger organization than M-1.

M-1 holds 2-3 times more events per year getting 10K, 15K, and even 20K attendance. KSW gets 10K-15K for less shows. M-1 gets 1M+ viewers (3M-4M a few times) for each event in Russia alone, at least double that with all the Russian speaking former-Soviet republics. KSW gets 3M-4M viewers for less events. M-1 has a popular TV show that is way better than TUF and is actuality all about fighting, training, technique, & more... M-1 has a lot more fighters under contract than KSW.

M-1 is the second largest & most popular MMA organization in the world. They've done 150+ major MMA events since their inception in 1997. Those are UFC numbers.

Bigger than KSW? Huh, interesting. I figured KSW pulling such big numbers in relation to the Polish population would put them above M-1. Ah well, my point doesn't really change.

Vadim should allow his fighters to go where they please, and if it's the get the bigger paydays in the UFC, so be it. I'm glad that he is.

Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:09 am

But we made up a constructive dialogue with Lorenzo Fertitta and Executive Vice President Lawrence Epstein. We are open for cooperation. They promised that if they plan tournament in Russia, then we will sit down at the negotiating table.

Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:12 am

Fairweather wrote: wanna bet they will be putting on events in Russia by the end of 2015?

Dagwood: Read the article closely. It is not going to be that easy at all.

he doesn't make it seem look ALL THAT DIFFICULT, don't you think?

Vadim But we made up a constructive dialogue with Lorenzo Fertitta and Executive Vice President Lawrence Epstein. We are open for cooperation. They promised that if they plan tournament in Russia, then we will sit down at the negotiating table.

Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:18 am

sorry for the messed up posts, i just don't understand how you people fail to realize that when money is involved, all emotions are cast aside and everything is possible.
of course in this case, if Lorenzo and his mob wants to make money in Russia, they're gonna have to pay a lot of money to the Russian mob, it all depends on how greedy each side is. if they can work out a deal that would satisfy the Russians, you will see UFC events in Moscow and St. Petersburg in no time. it really isn't nuclear science. and no i didn't read a single post in this thread, Dagwood's comment was from another thread

Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:03 pm

Dagwood wrote:

eXtv wrote:Good on him. It's obvious M-1 can't hand out the paychecks the UFC can, and doesn't offer the same kind of sponsorship opportunities. Let your young guys go and continue their careers in whatever way they see fit, be it staying with M-1, or going to a bigger org like KSW or the UFC.

KSW is not a larger organization than M-1.

M-1 holds 2-3 times more events per year getting 10K, 15K, and even 20K attendance. KSW gets 10K-15K for less shows. M-1 gets 1M+ viewers (3M-4M a few times) for each event in Russia alone, at least double that with all the Russian speaking former-Soviet republics. KSW gets 3M-4M viewers for less events. M-1 has a popular TV show that is way better than TUF and is actuality all about fighting, training, technique, & more... M-1 has a lot more fighters under contract than KSW.

M-1 is the second largest & most popular MMA organization in the world. They've done 150+ major MMA events since their inception in 1997. Those are UFC numbers.

True m1 is bigger than ksw!

Vadim has to start signing their young talent to longer deals! At least you can use them the most you can, but you can't be developing fighters then let them leave for bellator or zuffa like is happening right now

Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:27 pm

If m-1 is supposedly the #2 in the world and can't keep fighters due to money what's that say for the state of mma?

Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:44 pm

fka wrote:If m-1 is supposedly the #2 in the world and can't keep fighters due to money what's that say for the state of mma?

M-1's revenues comes mostly from the gate and tickets are quite a bit cheaper. They have 20% of the yearly events as the UFC. The have no $25M-$60M from PPV events. I would imagine for free TV events they don't get close to $100M/year from Russia 2 like the UFC does from FOX. M-1 has a different business model than the UFC and only a fraction of the revenues. All the other major orgs are in the same position but worse.

Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:44 pm

So why not get a ppv model or a north American TV deal get more revenue going I just don't get how onefc and ksw can outbid ufc and m-1 can't.