Roger Gracie calls UFC a 'monopoly'

Gracie says he chose not to re-sign with UFC because they wanted him to take a pay cut. And since the Las Vegas, Nevada-based promotion is a "monopoly" which pretty much controls MMA, it can dictate fighter pay however it pleases.

He explains:



"I'm with a deal almost closed and in the next few days I'll announce my return to MMA. I should be back still in this year, we got everything settled and soon everybody will know where I'm going to fight. I was retired from MMA and I wasn't sure if I was going to do just a few fights in jiu-jitsu. But I received this good offer and I reconsidered my retirement. I'm older now, I've achieved everything that I wanted. Everything else would be a plus.


The UFC has monopolized everything but there are other organizations. The problem is that, once the UFC is the biggest organization, they control how much the fighters earn and they don't pay that good. I have my gym and I don't need the money from MMA to pay my bills. I left the UFC because they didn't want to sign another contract with me after my deal was over. According to them, I was weak compared to other fighters. They didn't want to pay me as much as Strikeforce. I wouldn't accept an offer to earn less money and I didn't want to fight without expectations. It's better for me stay in my gym."




http://www.mmamania.com/2014/8/5/5971523/ufc-monopoly-says-roger-gracie-asked-him-to-take-pay-cut-mma

See, that's a good signing. Coker made a convincing enough deal to get Hoger to come out of retirement. One one world's best submission grapplers in the history of man. I'll watch him fight anybody, anywhere, & any organization.

The sport here in North American direly needs more Olympic & World champion level technical fighters whether they it's just the ground or just standing. This is what was much of the magic of PRIDE, Olympic champions vs world champions for varied combat sports. How the f**** would that never be unbelievably compelling I don't know.

No one is wooing these guys anymore. Like in PRIDE their pedigree should automatically get them matches in the big orgs with out having to go fight 20 matches in nowhere's-ville for zero money. They have nothing to prove. They are world class pure athletes and have marquee value with their bling from REAL legitimate international combat SPORT tournament competition.

Dag I think he's signing with ONE FC not Bellator.   

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/8/5/5967539/roger-gracie-sign-multi-fight-deal-with-one-fc

AudaxSmoke wrote:Dag I think he's signing with ONE FC not Bellator.   

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/8/5/5967539/roger-gracie-sign-multi-fight-deal-with-one-fc

Hmmm. I saw something that insiders said Bellator. Either way I stand by the rest of my post.   

"The UFC has monopolized everything but there are other organizations."  

Good for Roger..... although i am sure the zuffa zombies will blast him for "not wanting to fight the best" for next to nothing

JimGunn wrote:"The UFC has monopolized everything but there are other organizations."  

Part of reading comprehension is being able to understand context from a rhetorical standpoint.

Work on that.

Part of critical thinking is questioning utter nonsense when you come across it. Work on that.

Roger really doesn't impress me whatsoever but onefc definitely needs him.

Bellator could use him as well but honestly Roger is an EXCELLENT BJJ GUY not so much in mma.

JimGunn wrote:"The UFC has monopolized everything but there are other organizations."  

"The problem is that, once the UFC is the biggest organization, they control how much the fighters earn and they don't pay that good."

UFC is the biggest promotion by far and most other promotions are their feeders.

Golden Age wrote:

JimGunn wrote:"The UFC has monopolized everything but there are other organizations."  

"The problem is that, once the UFC is the biggest organization, they control how much the fighters earn and they don't pay that good."

UFC is the biggest promotion by far and most other promotions are their feeders.

I do agree that fighters should get paid more. Those $8,000/$8,000 UFC minimums should hopefully be creeping upwards to $10,000/$10,000 or $12,000/$12,000 and much better obviously for the mid-tier fighters. At least new and veteran fighters nowadays have a few options currently between the UFC, Bellator, WSOF and One FC which seems to be more interested in North American fighters lately and a bunch of smaller regional and international promotions.

JimGunn wrote:
At least new and veteran fighters nowadays have a few options currently between the UFC, Bellator, WSOF and One FC which seems to be more interested in North American fighters lately and a bunch of smaller regional and international promotions.

UFC feeder leagues are not an option compared to the UFC. WSOF is not an option compared to the UFC. They are controlled by Zuffa.

If you like to see fighter's earnings kept down then keep supporting Zuffa mma.   

Zuffa by controlling multiple companies is able to control fighter pay and keep it down.

The only way fighter pay will increase is if there is more competition in the martketplace. Not more Zuffa controlled companies.

You're getting your conspiracy theories mixed up. Didn't you claim in another thread that the WSOF was a way for Zuffa to control the market for free agents and to prevent fighters that they cut from going to other organizations? Well, the only realistic way to do that would be for the WSOF to over pay fighters to prevent them from going elsewhere, otherwise they would take whatever fair offers came from Bellator or other companies.

Now you are saying that this is a way to keep fighter earnings down? So which is it? It doesn't make sense. Especially in light of the fact that there are more promotions worldwide than ever before for fighters to compete in.

JimGunn wrote:You're getting your conspiracy theories mixed up. Didn't you claim in another thread that the WSOF was a way for Zuffa to control the market for free agents and to prevent fighters that they cut from going to other organizations? Well, the only realistic way to do that would be for the WSOF to over pay fighters to prevent them from going elsewhere, otherwise they would take whatever fair offers came from Bellator or other companies.

Now you are saying that this is a way to keep fighter earnings down? So which is it? It doesn't make sense. Especially in light of the fact that there are more promotions worldwide than ever before for fighters to compete in.

Do you really think Sig Rogich (WSOF) is a competitor to Lorenzo Fertitta (UFC)? They´re allies.

Golden Age wrote:
Do you really think Sig Rogich (WSOF) is a competitor to Lorenzo Fertitta (UFC)? They´re allies.

What's your point? All of the MMA promotions around the world are competitors only in a fairly loose sense of the word.

JimGunn wrote:

Golden Age wrote:
Do you really think Sig Rogich (WSOF) is a competitor to Lorenzo Fertitta (UFC)? They´re allies.

What's your point? All of the MMA promotions around the world are competitors only in a fairly loose sense of the word.

My point is Sig Rogich and Lorenzo Fertitta are working together.

Golden Age wrote:

JimGunn wrote:

Golden Age wrote:
Do you really think Sig Rogich (WSOF) is a competitor to Lorenzo Fertitta (UFC)? They´re allies.

What's your point? All of the MMA promotions around the world are competitors only in a fairly loose sense of the word.

My point is Sig Rogich and Lorenzo Fertitta are working together.

That alone doesn't adequately explain the actual mechanics of how that supposed collusion keeps fighters pay down and simultaneously prevents fighters that get cut from the UFC from going to other promotions. Especially since the topic of this thread, Roger Gracie, ended up at One FC, presumably with a better offer than either the UFC gave him or the WSOF might have given him.

I think there's no doubt the UFC has slowly monopolized North American mma. We'll get a better idea of that within the next year.

But One FC has certainly got some funds. Remember them offering a better deal for top 3 bantamweight Bibiano Fernandes? They got Ben Askren who HAD to have gotten plenty of offers. One is probably singlehandedly preventing a full Zuffa takeover.

JimGunn wrote:You're getting your conspiracy theories mixed up. Didn't you claim in another thread that the WSOF was a way for Zuffa to control the market for free agents and to prevent fighters that they cut from going to other organizations?

By using a loaded term like "conspiracy theories" you are twisting/altering the discussion. That's a term that simple minded people use.

Many threads/posts have layed out the ties between Sig and the Fertitta's/WSOF and Zuffa. The shady business dealing of Zuffa have also been exposed. If you want to ignore that information that is fine, but realize you are making posts from an uninformed position.

TeamJohnPerretti wrote:

JimGunn wrote:You're getting your conspiracy theories mixed up. Didn't you claim in another thread that the WSOF was a way for Zuffa to control the market for free agents and to prevent fighters that they cut from going to other organizations?

By using a loaded term like "conspiracy theories" you are twisting/altering the discussion. That's a term that simple minded people use.

Many threads/posts have layed out the ties between Sig and the Fertitta's/WSOF and Zuffa. The shady business dealing of Zuffa have also been exposed. If you want to ignore that information that is fine, but realize you are making posts from an uninformed position.

Great post. Spot on.

TeamJohnPerretti wrote:

JimGunn wrote:You're getting your conspiracy theories mixed up. Didn't you claim in another thread that the WSOF was a way for Zuffa to control the market for free agents and to prevent fighters that they cut from going to other organizations?

By using a loaded term like "conspiracy theories" you are twisting/altering the discussion. That's a term that simple minded people use.

Many threads/posts have layed out the ties between Sig and the Fertitta's/WSOF and Zuffa. The shady business dealing of Zuffa have also been exposed. If you want to ignore that information that is fine, but realize you are making posts from an uninformed position.

Once again you and everyone else in this thread have failed to explain how the actual mechanics of the collusion work on the specific accusations of 1- How and why the UFC uses the WSOF to keeps fighters from going to other organizations and somehow simultaneously 2- How they use the WSOF to keep fighter pay low. You give no evidence whatsoever of how the conspiracy actually works in practical terms, especially on these two contradictory and mutually exclusive outcomes.

Just saying there is a conspiracy because two entities or groups of people have business or personal connections isn't enough. You have to posit a logical methodology of how they achieve a certain goal that makes logical sense and have some evidence of it. This is where your idea- and most conspiracy theories- completely falls apart. Either there is no evidence, bad evidence, unfounded accusations, illogical conclusions or the whole thing just makes no damn sense anyway.

JimGunn wrote:

TeamJohnPerretti wrote:

JimGunn wrote:You're getting your conspiracy theories mixed up. Didn't you claim in another thread that the WSOF was a way for Zuffa to control the market for free agents and to prevent fighters that they cut from going to other organizations?

By using a loaded term like "conspiracy theories" you are twisting/altering the discussion. That's a term that simple minded people use.

Many threads/posts have layed out the ties between Sig and the Fertitta's/WSOF and Zuffa. The shady business dealing of Zuffa have also been exposed. If you want to ignore that information that is fine, but realize you are making posts from an uninformed position.

Once again you and everyone else in this thread have failed to explain how the actual mechanics of the collusion work on the specific accusations of 1- How and why the UFC uses the WSOF to keeps fighters from going to other organizations and somehow simultaneously 2- How they use the WSOF to keep fighter pay low. You give no evidence whatsoever of how the conspiracy actually works in practical terms, especially on these two contradictory and mutually exclusive outcomes.

Just saying there is a conspiracy because two entities or groups of people have business or personal connections isn't enough. You have to posit a logical methodology of how they achieve a certain goal that makes logical sense and have some evidence of it. This is where your idea- and most conspiracy theories- completely falls apart. Either there is no evidence, bad evidence, unfounded accusations, illogical conclusions or the whole thing just makes no damn sense anyway.

Many posts/threads on here have explained the relationship between Sig, Fertitta's/WSOF, UFC and the shady business practices of Zuffa. I said this in the earlier post, but you ignored it.

From your response:

A) Reading comprehension and critical thinking are weak points for you.

or....

B) You are a Zuffa employee or Zuffa paid poster. And don't call Zuffa paid poster's a conspiracy theory, it has been proven that Zuffa has flooded messageboard's with paid posters to create positive public opinion for their company.

Whether it's A or B, it doesn't matter to me. You are talking in circles. I have no interest in a discussion like that.

Nothing previously posted on this board is any kind of evidence addressing those two specific accusations about Zuffa and the WSOF that people in this thread posted. Specific accusations need specific proof. And you don't have it, otherwise you would point it out or explain it. But you haven't done that, and you haven't answered my obvious questions about how these two conspiracies work. Because you can't.

You simply have no idea what you are talking about and can't even keep your own nonsense straight. So now that you realize you are trapped with no way to explain yourself you resort to name calling. Calling me a Zuffa paid poster is just an act of desperation. I'm just an MMA fan who doesn't drink your brand of Kool-Aid.

Let's be frank- it's obvious that you're the MMA equivalent of a teenage girl who doesn't like her favorite band anymore because they got too popular.

TeamJohnPerretti wrote:

JimGunn wrote:

TeamJohnPerretti wrote:

JimGunn wrote:You're getting your conspiracy theories mixed up. Didn't you claim in another thread that the WSOF was a way for Zuffa to control the market for free agents and to prevent fighters that they cut from going to other organizations?

By using a loaded term like "conspiracy theories" you are twisting/altering the discussion. That's a term that simple minded people use.

Many threads/posts have layed out the ties between Sig and the Fertitta's/WSOF and Zuffa. The shady business dealing of Zuffa have also been exposed. If you want to ignore that information that is fine, but realize you are making posts from an uninformed position.

Once again you and everyone else in this thread have failed to explain how the actual mechanics of the collusion work on the specific accusations of 1- How and why the UFC uses the WSOF to keeps fighters from going to other organizations and somehow simultaneously 2- How they use the WSOF to keep fighter pay low. You give no evidence whatsoever of how the conspiracy actually works in practical terms, especially on these two contradictory and mutually exclusive outcomes.

Just saying there is a conspiracy because two entities or groups of people have business or personal connections isn't enough. You have to posit a logical methodology of how they achieve a certain goal that makes logical sense and have some evidence of it. This is where your idea- and most conspiracy theories- completely falls apart. Either there is no evidence, bad evidence, unfounded accusations, illogical conclusions or the whole thing just makes no damn sense anyway.

Many posts/threads on here have explained the relationship between Sig, Fertitta's/WSOF, UFC and the shady business practices of Zuffa. I said this in the earlier post, but you ignored it.

From your response:

A) Reading comprehension and critical thinking are weak points for you.

or....

B) You are a Zuffa employee or Zuffa paid poster. And don't call Zuffa paid poster's a conspiracy theory, it has been proven that Zuffa has flooded messageboard's with paid posters to create positive public opinion for their company.

Whether it's A or B, it doesn't matter to me. You are talking in circles. I have no interest in a discussion like that.

No doubt, Zuffa has people on Sherdog and other sites spreading propaganda and disinfo.

Wsof 12........

WORST CARD OF THE YEAR!

Wsof is soo shallow in depth jeez...

Decision after boring decision