Do you want the UFC fighters to sign with other promotions?

Zuffa has many great fighters on the roster and that´s why I still watch and enjoy their events. The actual promotion is shit and the owners are bad for the sport.

I want all the top fighters on the UFC roster to sign with other promotions because that would be great for global mma. Zuffa doesn´t own any of the fighters and soon the fighters will chose to sign with other promotions. What do you want?

People talk about how they want the UFC to put on stacked cards instead of the watered down versions but why do you want this? Isn´t it better if casual fans lose interest for Ultimate FC and start supporting other promotions instead? It´s our duty to hype the rising promotions and inform the masses about their awesome events and talented fighters.

Hell yeah

Johan Lofgren wrote:People talk about how they want the UFC to put on stacked cards instead of the watered down versions but why do you want this? Isn´t it better if casual fans lose interest for Ultimate FC and start supporting other promotions instead? It´s our duty to hype the rising promotions and inform the masses about their awesome events and talented fighters.

This shift is gonna happen naturally Johan. Zuffa is proving to be it's own worst enemy. They will continue to fail and falter and they are doing it to themselves. As this continues, and the other big international orgs continue to grow... we'll have a PRIDE in Asia, a PRIDE in the former Soviet Union, a PRIDE in Poland, etc.

These organizations are beginning to have the kinda cash needed to pull to fighters away from Zuffa. The big overseas orgs we follow can already afford many of the underpaid top UFC fighters. I mean like all but 5 or 6 maybe. The other orgs just need to prove their long-term viability before their able to get bidding wars going for them and/or jumping the UFC ship. Also a guaranteed 4-5 fights/paydays a year instead of 1 or 2 would be appealing overseas for UFC fighters.

Dagwood wrote:

Johan Lofgren wrote:People talk about how they want the UFC to put on stacked cards instead of the watered down versions but why do you want this? Isn´t it better if casual fans lose interest for Ultimate FC and start supporting other promotions instead? It´s our duty to hype the rising promotions and inform the masses about their awesome events and talented fighters.

This shift is gonna happen naturally Johan. Zuffa is proving to be it's own worst enemy. They will continue to fail and falter and they are doing it to themselves. As this continues, and the other big international orgs continue to grow... we'll have a PRIDE in Asia, a PRIDE in the former Soviet Union, a PRIDE in Poland, etc.

These organizations are beginning to have the kinda cash needed to pull to fighters away from Zuffa. The big overseas orgs we follow can already afford many of the underpaid top UFC fighters. I mean like all but 5 or 6 maybe. The other orgs just need to prove their long-term viability before their able to get bidding wars going for them and/or jumping the UFC ship. Also a guaranteed 4-5 fights/paydays a year instead of 1 or 2 would be appealing overseas for UFC fighters.

I sure hope this shift will happen naturally but I think we are the ones who will speed up the process. Instead of being frustrated about Zuffa we should fight them with counter hype. Thousands of people from all over the world visit G-MMA and they will tell their friends about what they read here. It´s time for fans to look at the UFC as a feeder league to other promotions, not the other way around.

I don't ever want to see the BBF and the Mario Bros stick their dirty noses in Russia with their shitty business practices. F that....

Can't stand when folks make comments like "I'd like to see so and so in the UFC." The UFC is not the only promotion. Nor are they the best. Good. But not the best.

SandmanFC wrote:Can't stand when folks make comments like "I'd like to see so and so in the UFC." The UFC is not the only promotion. Nor are they the best. Good. But not the best.

Agree with you. It's just an org. The fighters make it be the best, because everything else about them is shit. Of course Bozuffa has majority of the top fighters, but it's not enough, and keeping them trapped fighting the same 5 good guys their entire life is lame. Now...signing to other promotions or whatever, it doesn't matter to me, i just want to see fights between all the top fighters in the world.

I agree with the notion that it will happen naturally, as fighters weigh their opportunities, and various other competitive offers present themselves, which we have already been seeing a little bit. Ultimate FC has already peaked. I don't believe that MMA is a fad, but Ultimate FC was certainly a fad. You can tell by all of the stupid catch phrases and other bullshit antics and stuff they came up with, such as on their reality game show and what not.

Based on their recent ratings, I can't imagine their accountants are too happy at this point. I'll be interested to see whether Fox opts to air any more shows after their next one, with the new year coming. It's hard to know what the Fox execs are thinking at this point. Perhaps they're thinking they have to lose money to turn an eventual buck (such as on the reality show on FX). Then again, I don't imagine them being that stupid.

That said, it isn't necessarily the profit motive which rules monopoly capitalist enterprises. There are quite often other aspects at play. No matter how things go, I sort of find it entertaining recently just to observe the goings on at Zuffa. But, I do indeed believe that little by little, fighters will increasingly find their way to other orgs, such as Bellator and One FC. It will be a gradual process for the most part, but we've already seen a bit of it, for instance in King Mo's case. Rampage too has been pretty vocal about wanting to move to another org. There was also the case of Bibi Fernandez turning down a Zuffa contract (despite Zuffa prematurely announcing him for a spot on an Ultimate FC fightcard).

I would suspect that Zuffa Headquarters is feeling a bit of pressure at this point.

Wolfman wrote:

SandmanFC wrote:Can't stand when folks make comments like "I'd like to see so and so in the UFC." The UFC is not the only promotion. Nor are they the best. Good. But not the best.

Agree with you. It's just an org. The fighters make it be the best, because everything else about them is shit. Of course Bozuffa has majority of the top fighters, but it's not enough, and keeping them trapped fighting the same 5 good guys their entire life is lame. Now...signing to other promotions or whatever, it doesn't matter to me, i just want to see fights between all the top fighters in the world.

If you think Zuffa is bad for the sport how can you say you don´t care if the fighters leave them or not?

RussianTopTeam wrote:I don't ever want to see the BBF and the Mario Bros stick their dirty noses in Russia with their shitty business practices. F that....

What do you mean, do you want the fighters to leave Zuffa? Imagine if JDS, Cain, Werdum, Reem, Nog, Barnett, Anderson, Shogun, Machida, Jones, Hendo, Mousasi, Rampage, Diaz and so on signed with for an example M-1. Wouldn´t that be fantastic.

Johan Lofgren wrote:

RussianTopTeam wrote:I don't ever want to see the BBF and the Mario Bros stick their dirty noses in Russia with their shitty business practices. F that....

What do you mean, do you want the fighters to leave Zuffa? Imagine if JDS, Cain, Werdum, Reem, Nog, Barnett, Anderson, Shogun, Machida, Jones, Hendo, Mousasi, Rampage, Diaz and so on signed with for an example M-1. Wouldn´t that be fantastic.

that would be fantastic.... but M-1 needs to put on more shows, and until that happens they wont be able to grow very much

Johan Lofgren wrote:
If you think Zuffa is bad for the sport how can you say you don´t care if the fighters leave them or not?

I didn't say i want them to stay, maybe i should take back what i said in that part. I just think it is very unlikely that the fighters will go out, because bozuffa has the money. If their hype machine was crushed by other orgs fighters things would change naturally IMO.

I would like to see some of their fighters fight for promotions like ONE FC, M-1, Bellator, and KSW. I like when these other orgs. sign solid talent so they don't get locked up with Zuffa.

As far as stability goes, Shooto is probably the top promotion. But you don't exactly see them lighting up the MMA world. It's tough because there are a lot of up-and-coming promotions which are having the same problems with injuries and card changes. Also with poor management decisions. Even Bellator has made some questionable calls lately. MMA is a very ephemeral sport and rarely does a new and promising promotion show up without another org dying out. If I was a fighter, I wouldn't know which way to turn.

But yes, I wish UFC fighters would start weighing thier options. I was hoping Edgar would be first after the way he got screwed over. The UFC is riding on reputation now and that's sad. And all their controversy just makes a mockery of the sport.

I don't wish UFC talent would sign with Zuffa, I wish that contracts were non-exclusive. MMA would be better as a whole if talent wasn't signed to extremely restrictive constracts, only to have to constantly worry about being cut.

Wolfman wrote:

Johan Lofgren wrote:
If you think Zuffa is bad for the sport how can you say you don´t care if the fighters leave them or not?

I didn't say i want them to stay, maybe i should take back what i said in that part. I just think it is very unlikely that the fighters will go out, because bozuffa has the money. If their hype machine was crushed by other orgs fighters things would change naturally IMO.

Of course it´s unlikely right now but I want to know what people here really want. Everyone says they´re fed up with Zuffa but what do they want to happen? I have a vision of how I want the mma scene to look like. Since Zuffa don´t offer non-exclusive contracts the top fighters must spit Dana in the face and sign with other promotions.

^^ I think these 3 exceedingly intelligent & unbelievablly handsome posters below from another MMA forum summed it up quite well.

Two of them seem quite familiar and the other is some guy named ChopperRead who was the OP for the thread with the 3rd set of quotes. 8)

dagwood wrote:Postby dagwood » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:40 am

agonzalez1 wrote:Strikeforce will make their Japanese debut April 10th, 2011 during the afternoon hours in order to be shown live in the United States.
The fight card will consist of a lightweight portion, and the heavyweight grand prix second round.
Strikeforce will be working with Real Entertainment and possibly M-1 to co-promote the planned event.


http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/4/1974128/report-strikeforce-heavyweight-grand-prix-to-invade-japan-this-april

Praise the Lord! Much less chance of an imperialist dictatorship dominating MMA world-wide.

I told baga this is the way that the God's of the martial arts want things...

1. Major independent indigenous MMA organizations world-wide working TOGETHER to co-promote events and tournaments in worldwide MMA markets.
2. Local market MMA leaders in their country or region
3. Each with their own unique national/regional style of MMA
4. Indigenous ethnic fighters from the MMA organization's region/countries
5. Potential for FIFA World Cup-type world championships
6. Potential for a world-wide ranking system
6. & much, more stuff

This would truly be great for world-wide MMA. Sort of the 'anti-McDonald's'... 'world-dominating'... 'martial art-homogenizing' MMA fate it was looking like the world was heading for.

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http://www.mmalinker.com/forum/post1740329.html?hilit=%20fifa#p1740329

brace wrote:Postby brace » Mon May 16, 2011 1:18 am

dagwood wrote:

brace wrote:I agree, MMA would be taken much more seriously if it was a centrally organized sport. I don't understand why it's so hard to get that the NBA, NFL and MMA comparisons don't work. MMA would be better off ran as golf, or tennis, like a PGA, or ITF, International Tennis Organization with major professional tournaments that bring in the top fighters.

As long as Zuffa and the UFC are the face of MMA, MMA will never be taken seriously as a sport by the mainstream, but just as glorified pro-wrestling, silly barbaric entertainment for geeks. Which is actually fine by me, tbh, but at least I can admit it. 8)

I think fundamentally you hit the nail on the head in this discussion. Until MMA has an INDEPENDENT governing body, it will never be a mainstream sport WORLDWIDE. Independent of any single MMA organization with an Official World Ranking System (Tennis-ATP Rankings/Golf-Sony Rankings) seeded international mega tournaments etc...

Unless you have this there is no credibility for claims by 'any' org like the UFC to having the best fighter's in the world only in their organization. There is no proof of that until there is a world-wide tournament that proves it.

Until then, them Dana White = Vince McMahon & Don King.

Agreed, right now, as far as mainstream sport image, MMA is basically like NASCAR or skateboarding, a niche pseudo sport with no clear rankings, or sometimes even clear judging rules. The kids act like it's no big deal as long as they get their share of blood from their MMA savior Dana White, who's just a ridiculous reality TV character and who did not actually save shit, but they fail to understand that this makes this sport into a joke in the eyes of the public. This is horrible to me when I think of all the fighters training and trying to be taken seriously as sportsmen. But because the UFC promotes a certain image for MMA, this is all people know about it, at least in North America and Dana White might as well be running a pro-wrestling promotion..

http://www.mmalinker.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1740329#p1740329

dagwood wrote:Re: International MMA Association
Postby dagwood » Sun May 15, 2011 5:55 am

ChopperRead wrote:It´s time for mma to take the step from entertainment to a legit sport. An International MMA Association is the best way to make the sport grow worldwide. This would be an independent and unbiased organization where the best fighters from different promotions could compete to become undisputed world champions.

http://www.fifa.com/

FIFA - Fédération Internationale de Football Association

Commonly known by the acronym FIFA (usual English pronunciation: /ˈfiːfə/), is the international governing body of association football, futsal and beach football. Its headquarters are located in Zurich, Switzerland, and its current president is Sepp Blatter. FIFA is responsible for the organization and governance of football's major international tournaments, most notably the FIFA World Cup, held since 1930. Nineteen editions of the FIFA World Cup have been held so far. The next edition is to be held in Brazil in 2014.

FIFA has 208 member associations, three more than the International Olympic Committee and five fewer than the International Association of Athletics Federations.


FIFA - OUR MISSION

'Develop the game, touch the world, build a better future'.

Played by millions around the world, football is the heart and soul of FIFA and as the guardian of this most cherished game, we have a great responsibility. This responsibility does not end with organising the FIFA World Cup and the various other world cup competitions; it extends to safeguarding the Laws of the Game, developing the game around the world and to bringing hope to those less privileged. This is what we believe is the very essence of fair play and solidarity.

We see it as our mission to contribute towards building a better future for the world by using the power and popularity of football. This mission gives meaning and direction to each and every activity that FIFA is involved in - football being an integrated part of our society.


FIFA World Cup

The FIFA World Cup (also called the Football World Cup, the Soccer World Cup, or simply the World Cup) is an international association football competition contested by the senior men's national teams of the members of Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA), the sport's global governing body. The championship has been awarded every four years since the inaugural tournament in 1930, except in 1942 and 1946 when it was not held because of the Second World War. The current champions are Spain, who won the 2010 tournament.

The current format of the tournament involves 32 teams competing for the title at venues within the host nation(s) over a period of about a month – this phase is often called the World Cup Finals. A qualification phase, which currently takes place over the preceding three years, is used to determine which teams qualify for the tournament together with the host nation(s).

http://www.mmalinker.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1874717#p1874717

^^ That´s some PRIDE level posting Dagwood.

nodogoshi wrote:I agree with the notion that it will happen naturally, as fighters weigh their opportunities, and various other competitive offers present themselves, which we have already been seeing a little bit. Ultimate FC has already peaked. I don't believe that MMA is a fad, but Ultimate FC was certainly a fad. You can tell by all of the stupid catch phrases and other bullshit antics and stuff they came up with, such as on their reality game show and what not.

Based on their recent ratings, I can't imagine their accountants are too happy at this point. I'll be interested to see whether Fox opts to air any more shows after their next one, with the new year coming. It's hard to know what the Fox execs are thinking at this point. Perhaps they're thinking they have to lose money to turn an eventual buck (such as on the reality show on FX). Then again, I don't imagine them being that stupid.

That said, it isn't necessarily the profit motive which rules monopoly capitalist enterprises. There are quite often other aspects at play. No matter how things go, I sort of find it entertaining recently just to observe the goings on at Zuffa. But, I do indeed believe that little by little, fighters will increasingly find their way to other orgs, such as Bellator and One FC. It will be a gradual process for the most part, but we've already seen a bit of it, for instance in King Mo's case. Rampage too has been pretty vocal about wanting to move to another org. There was also the case of Bibi Fernandez turning down a Zuffa contract (despite Zuffa prematurely announcing him for a spot on an Ultimate FC fightcard).

I would suspect that Zuffa Headquarters is feeling a bit of pressure at this point.

Great post and spot on. As the sport grows things will change in a slow process. The problem is I´m a passionate man and I want things to happen faster. All global mma fans should hype M-1, ONE FC, KSW, Bellator WSOF etc. We can make a huge difference. I heard numerous times that Zuffa won the war but I know they can be defeated and the only way is counter hype. Soon the fans will look at mma as football and support fighters and promotions all over the world.

Right now I´m thinking about taking over the Sherdog Worldwide Discussion, it shouldn´t be hard.