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Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:04 am
CDF47 wrote:G-MMA Rankings thread on Sherdog turned into a war on the shady Zuffa UFC purchase.  LOL

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f61/global-mma-rankings-outside-ufc-january-2014-a-2645421/index2.html


The Shady Zuffa UFC Purchase - Smoking Gun Proof

Bob Meyrowitz in his own words quite in depth in a 2006 NHB with Eddie Goldman Interview... The most damning evidence ever. Likely Meyerowitz doesn't go here as in depth much due to potential legal issues with the Fertitta's. He really let it slip here though....



NO HOLDS BARRED: Eddie Goldman Speaks With Bob Meyrowitz - July 19, 2006

On this week's edition of NO HOLDS BARRED, host Eddie Goldman speaks with Bob Meyrowitz, former CEO of eYada.com and Semaphore Entertainment Group (SEG), which started and produced the original Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) shows from 1993 to 2000.

Bob offers his take on what he thinks of the current UFC product and the level of talent in it under its present owner, Zuffa. He also refutes the many factually incorrect articles that have appeared mainly in newspapers claiming that when SEG put on UFC shows, there were no rules, that the company ran from sanctioning by state athletic commissions, and that the level of athlete in the early UFC's was low.

He recounts how UFC was sanctioned by the New York State Athletic Commission in late 1996, but how the commission double-crossed UFC at the last moment. He discusses UFC's attempt in 1999 to get sanctioned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and who on that commission opposed its sanctioning.

Plus, he tells us who among the mainstream media and numerous boxing writers now commenting on UFC and its history have actually bothered to contact him to find out his views and what occurred.

Plus, Bob talks about his plans to run a new mixed martial arts event in the very near future, plans which have not been completely finalized yet but are expected to be so in a very short time. And he tells us what his attitude is towards the mixed martial arts and fight media, as well as other promoters, an issue which has again come to the fore.



@31:55 - Meyrowitz recounts the history of events surrounding the SEG's UFC's first attempt at sanctioning in Nevada & the role Lorenzo Fertitta played as an NSAC commissioner and later the purchaser of the UFC.

@18:50 - History of UFC sanctioning in New Jersey & New york or attempted sanctioning in Nevada.

https://ia600201.us.archive.org/6/items/EddieGoldmanNOHOLDSBARREDEddieGoldmanSpeaksWithBobMeyrowitz/nhb20.mp3



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Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:51 am
CDF47 wrote:G-MMA Rankings thread on Sherdog turned into a war on the shady Zuffa UFC purchase.  LOL

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f61/global-mma-rankings-outside-ufc-january-2014-a-2645421/index2.html 
I saw the fight and I want to help CDF47 but he was too busy.
I got info that can schooled those people who like to deny the truth.
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:54 am
Update to my OP...

@31:55 - Meyrowitz recounts the history of events surrounding the SEG's UFC's first attempt at sanctioning in Nevada & the role Lorenzo Fertitta played as an NSAC commissioner and later the purchaser of the UFC.

@18:50 - History of UFC sanctioning in New Jersey & New york or attempted sanctioning in Nevada.

https://ia600201.us.archive.org/6/items/EddieGoldmanNOHOLDSBARREDEddieGoldmanSpeaksWithBobMeyrowitz/nhb20.mp3
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:09 am

I was a kid back then but I remember this stuff. It's what Zuffa doesn't want you to know about.

Not sure but if I remember correctly Meyrowitz talked about this on the MSNBC special on Ultimate Fighting from a few years ago(it still gets replayed once in a while). Zuffa sued and certain parts of the show were then edited out.
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:15 am

Dana takes all the credit and tells half-truths when it comes to the history of sanctioning the sport.

Before Zuffa became owners, SEG was sanctioned in multiple states and running shows out of casino's in Atlantic City, New Jersey.
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:36 pm
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CDF47 wrote:G-MMA Rankings thread on Sherdog turned into a war on the shady Zuffa UFC purchase.  LOL

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f61/global-mma-rankings-outside-ufc-january-2014-a-2645421/index2.html


The Shady Zuffa UFC Purchase - Smoking Gun Proof

Bob Meyrowitz in his own words quite in depth in a 2006 NHB with Eddie Goldman Interview... The most damning evidence ever. Likely Meyerowitz doesn't go here as in depth much due to potential legal issues with the Fertitta's. He really let it slip here though....



NO HOLDS BARRED: Eddie Goldman Speaks With Bob Meyrowitz - July 19, 2006

On this week's edition of NO HOLDS BARRED, host Eddie Goldman speaks with Bob Meyrowitz, former CEO of eYada.com and Semaphore Entertainment Group (SEG), which started and produced the original Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) shows from 1993 to 2000.

Bob offers his take on what he thinks of the current UFC product and the level of talent in it under its present owner, Zuffa. He also refutes the many factually incorrect articles that have appeared mainly in newspapers claiming that when SEG put on UFC shows, there were no rules, that the company ran from sanctioning by state athletic commissions, and that the level of athlete in the early UFC's was low.

He recounts how UFC was sanctioned by the New York State Athletic Commission in late 1996, but how the commission double-crossed UFC at the last moment. He discusses UFC's attempt in 1999 to get sanctioned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and who on that commission opposed its sanctioning.

Plus, he tells us who among the mainstream media and numerous boxing writers now commenting on UFC and its history have actually bothered to contact him to find out his views and what occurred.

Plus, Bob talks about his plans to run a new mixed martial arts event in the very near future, plans which have not been completely finalized yet but are expected to be so in a very short time. And he tells us what his attitude is towards the mixed martial arts and fight media, as well as other promoters, an issue which has again come to the fore.



@31:55 - Meyrowitz recounts the history of events surrounding the SEG's UFC's first attempt at sanctioning in Nevada & the role Lorenzo Fertitta played as an NSAC commissioner and later the purchaser of the UFC.

@18:50 - History of UFC sanctioning in New Jersey & New york or attempted sanctioning in Nevada.

https://ia600201.us.archive.org/6/items/EddieGoldmanNOHOLDSBARREDEddieGoldmanSpeaksWithBobMeyrowitz/nhb20.mp3


Thanks Dag. I posted this up there.
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:37 pm
kayneoTheRisingWarrior wrote:
CDF47 wrote:G-MMA Rankings thread on Sherdog turned into a war on the shady Zuffa UFC purchase.  LOL

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f61/global-mma-rankings-outside-ufc-january-2014-a-2645421/index2.html 
I saw the fight and I want to help CDF47 but he was too busy.
I got info that can schooled those people who like to deny the truth.

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Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:39 pm
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I was a kid back then but I remember this stuff. It's what Zuffa doesn't want you to know about.

Not sure but if I remember correctly Meyrowitz talked about this on the MSNBC special on Ultimate Fighting from a few years ago(it still gets replayed once in a while). Zuffa sued and certain parts of the show were then edited out.

Yeah, it was on a CNBC program which was not only editted but also totally changed.  Below is the 3 minute segment that was changed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzNo8kqkzq8


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Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:39 pm
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Dana takes all the credit and tells half-truths when it comes to the history of sanctioning the sport.

Before Zuffa became owners, SEG was sanctioned in multiple states and running shows out of casino's in Atlantic City, New Jersey.

Yeah, he does.  He loves to twist the facts.  He's a master at it.  Dana White has his PhD in bull shit.


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Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:25 pm
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kayneoTheRisingWarrior wrote:
CDF47 wrote:G-MMA Rankings thread on Sherdog turned into a war on the shady Zuffa UFC purchase.  LOL

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f61/global-mma-rankings-outside-ufc-january-2014-a-2645421/index2.html 
I saw the fight and I want to help CDF47 but he was too busy.
I got info that can schooled those people who like to deny the truth.

Feel free to join in.
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Greg Kazja Patschull wrote:OctagonOriginator
This dvd launched MMA. NSAC received this tape in 2000 and 2001. Lorenzo Fertitta saw this tape then resigned bought UFC and hired Kirk Hendrik the Deputy Attorney General to run Zuffa/UFC, and Marc Ratner the NSAC EO to put his people in charge in all the other states so they could control the sport. This tape started it all. Note Octagon used and Octagon mentioned through out tape. — at San Pedro, CA.











Published on Nov 18, 2012
video byOctagonOriginator·

Greg Kazja Patschull wrote:Octago·n Originator was first on FOX exploding waybefore Zuffa bought the underground NHB UFC. News say this sport will make someone Rich and someone happy. My Octagon sure made Zuffa rich.








This is the true story how Greg Kazja Patschull got his creation the Octagon approved for MMA. It was first approved by CSAC and written in the rules in 1999 that the Octagon was to be used for MMA. Greg Kazja Patschull received the first License for MMA in 2000. He had Pay Per View and a deal with Sean Perry of Endeavor. Endeavor wanted to put his events on channel 13. He was introduced by Howard Schultz of Light Hearted Entertainment. Also Brad Kreisberg wanted to do a deal with Kazja. He is the Director of Jersey Shore.
Thomas Mark of Global Entertainment wanted Kazjas show on Pay Per View but said that to get on Pay Per View he had to get the sport approved in Nevada where there offices and corporation was. When Kazja first called he spoke to Kirk Hendrik who was the deputy attorney general for the gaming and NSAC. He said that the State will not approve the sport. Could this be because Lorenzo Fertitta was on the NSAC at the time. By now you all are aware of Kazjas attitude and fighting spirit. Kazja then told Kirk Hendrik that he was going to come there and do his event and that they will have to arrest him because he was coming there no matter what. 
Well a week went by and Kirk Hendrik called Kazja and told him to come down and help write the rulesKirk Hendrik is now the Attorney for UFC/Zuffa and works directly with Lorenzo Fertiitta ex director for NSAC and owner of the UFC. note: (Kirk Hendrik also told Kazja not to say he had Pay Per View and he will get licensed).

Octagon Originator Octagon and MMA Approval ( part 2 ) After Greg Kazja Patschull went to Nevada and helped in passing of the rules for MMA Marc Ratner the EO of the NSAC called him and asked if he could help in passing the Octagon in Nevada because the NSAC commissioners shot the Octagon down and wanted only a boxing ring for MMA. So Kazja drafted up a letter for the NSAC commissioners going in detail why he created the Octagon. He said that instead of having a square cage where fighters can easily get pinned in the corners he made it in a shape of an octagon so fighters couldn’t easily be pinned in the corners. It was made of fence material so fighters would not fall out of the ring and injure any spectator or themselves. (A circle would have been best but in 1992 there was no way of making a circular cage).
Octagon Originator Octagon and MMA Approval (part 3) In the letter Kazja said the Octagon was especially created for MMA for the safety of the fighter and the spectator. Imagine a hockey event with no plastic see through walls around the ring. The spectatorswould be in danger from the puck flying in the audience and injuring a spectator. As for seeing and filming through a cage it is no problem. Drive by a school playground and I bet you can see clearly all the children playing in the yard. Well Marc Ratner EO of the NSAC got back to Kazja and said thanks that the Octagon was approved by the Commission. But the NSAC was only going to allow the UFC to use the Octagon in Nevada. Kazja then told Marc Ratner that he will send all the proof and documentation that he had the copyright and first in use rights for the Octagon. After Marc Ratner received the documentation from Kazja, Kazja received a phone call from Zuffa on his home phone asking him if he was planning to sue Zuffa on the Octagon. Kazja said possibly. Zuffa then said do you know who we are? We are millionaires, we will squash you. Guess what Marc Ratner and Krk Hendrik both were NSAC members and now work for Zuffa/UFC. Lorenzo Fertitta was a Commissioner of the NSAC and is owner of Zuffa/UFC. Go figure. Now they are squashing my Octagon Nation creation and business. more to come )
Octagon Originator Octagon and MMA Approval ( part 4 ) The greatest of what happened after MMA was approved in California and the final day of approval of MMA by NSAC. The NSAC/Marc Ratner informed all the interested parties and all the MMA promoters who were currently doing MMA events on Indian Reservations and Kazja who was doing off Indian reservations MMA events in California useing his creation the OctagonMarc Ratner the EO of the NSAC at the time but now employed by Zuffa/UFC now told all parties to attend the hearing so the rules will be finalized. He also said nonewMMAlicenses will go out on this day that they are going to just approve the sport. If this was true we would have all had a fair chance. Zuffa/UFC did not have a license at the time. Well when we all showed up for the hearing Zuffa was on the agenda to hold there first MMA event in Nevada. They did not have a license but had a pay per view deal and used a Casinos boxing license to pull of the first MMA sanctioned event for Pay Per View before anyone else could. Lorenzo Fertittas ties with the NSAC at the time and the hiring of Kirk Hendrik the ex Deputy Attorney for gaming and NSAC paid off. more to come with proof Kazja attended the hearing)
Octagon Originator Octagon and MMA Approval (part5) Now it is 2001 and MMA is approved in Nevada by NSAC the CSAC now has banned MMA after it was approved in 2000 by them and after they issued a license to Kazja. Go figure why this all of a sudden happened.
http://octagonoctane.com/?p=139
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:39 pm
I think it's important to note that criminal courts may see an issue with officials in government regulatory positions using their positions to manipulate the industry or organizations they police for their own personal gain. Things like conspiracy, fraud, corruption and maybe more come to mind.

This NOT simply about 2 business entities competing against each other just using some questionable and quite widespread business tactics. People get put in jail for this kinda stuff.
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:53 pm
Dagwood wrote:I think it's important to note that criminal courts may see an issue with officials in government regulatory positions using their positions to manipulate the industry or organizations they police for their own personal gain. Things like conspiracy, fraud, corruption and maybe more come to mind.

This NOT simply about 2 business entities competing against each other just using some questionable and quite widespread business tactics. People get put in jail for this kinda stuff.

No doubt about that.  If his vote changed, while he was a Nevada state government employee, so he could buy the org. at a good price, and then get it regulated, big time issue if all that is true.
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Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:06 pm
Every mma fan should see this thread.

This is information that the mma media (other than Eddie Goldman and a few other brave individuals) will never cover or acknowledge.
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Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:17 pm
TeamJohnPerretti wrote:Every mma fan should see this thread.

This is information that the mma media (other than Eddie Goldman and a few other brave individuals) will never cover or acknowledge.

MMA media (aside from Eddie) have definitely steered well away from this story for years.
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Greg Kazja Patschull wrote:OctagonOriginator
This dvd launched MMA. NSAC received this tape in 2000 and 2001. Lorenzo Fertitta saw this tape then resigned bought UFC and hired Kirk Hendrik the Deputy Attorney General to run Zuffa/UFC, and Marc Ratner the NSAC EO to put his people in charge in all the other states so they could control the sport. This tape started it all. Note Octagon used and Octagon mentioned through out tape. — at San Pedro, CA.











Published on Nov 18, 2012
video byOctagonOriginator·


Greg Kazja Patschull wrote:Octago·n Originator was first on FOX exploding waybefore Zuffa bought the underground NHB UFC. News say this sport will make someone Rich and someone happy. My Octagon sure made Zuffa rich.








This is the true story how Greg Kazja Patschull got his creation the Octagon approved for MMA. It was first approved by CSAC and written in the rules in 1999 that the Octagon was to be used for MMA. Greg Kazja Patschull received the first License for MMA in 2000. He had Pay Per View and a deal with Sean Perry of Endeavor. Endeavor wanted to put his events on channel 13. He was introduced by Howard Schultz of Light Hearted Entertainment. Also Brad Kreisberg wanted to do a deal with Kazja. He is the Director of Jersey Shore.
Thomas Mark of Global Entertainment wanted Kazjas show on Pay Per View but said that to get on Pay Per View he had to get the sport approved in Nevada where there offices and corporation was. When Kazja first called he spoke to Kirk Hendrik who was the deputy attorney general for the gaming and NSAC. He said that the State will not approve the sport. Could this be because Lorenzo Fertitta was on the NSAC at the time. By now you all are aware of Kazjas attitude and fighting spirit. Kazja then told Kirk Hendrik that he was going to come there and do his event and that they will have to arrest him because he was coming there no matter what. Well a week went by and Kirk Hendrik called Kazja and told him to come down and help write the rules. Kirk Hendrik is now the Attorney for UFC/Zuffa and works directly with Lorenzo Fertiitta ex director for NSAC and owner of the UFC. note: (Kirk Hendrik also told Kazja not to say he had Pay Per View and he will get licensed).

Octagon Originator Octagon and MMA Approval ( part 2 ) After Greg Kazja Patschull went to Nevada and helped in passing of the rules for MMA Marc Ratner the EO of the NSAC called him and asked if he could help in passing the Octagon in Nevada because the NSAC commissioners shot the Octagon down and wanted only a boxing ring for MMA. So Kazja drafted up a letter for the NSAC commissioners going in detail why he created the Octagon. He said that instead of having a square cage where fighters can easily get pinned in the corners he made it in a shape of an octagon so fighters couldn’t easily be pinned in the corners. It was made of fence material so fighters would not fall out of the ring and injure any spectator or themselves. (A circle would have been best but in 1992 there was no way of making a circular cage).
Octagon Originator Octagon and MMA Approval (part 3) In the letter Kazja said the Octagon was especially created for MMA for the safety of the fighter and the spectator. Imagine a hockey event with no plastic see through walls around the ring. The spectatorswould be in danger from the puck flying in the audience and injuring a spectator. As for seeing and filming through a cage it is no problem. Drive by a school playground and I bet you can see clearly all the children playing in the yard. Well Marc Ratner EO of the NSAC got back to Kazja and said thanks that the Octagon was approved by the Commission. But the NSAC was only going to allow the UFC to use the Octagon in Nevada. Kazja then told Marc Ratner that he will send all the proof and documentation that he had the copyright and first in use rights for the Octagon. After Marc Ratner received the documentation from Kazja, Kazja received a phone call from Zuffa on his home phone asking him if he was planning to sue Zuffa on the Octagon. Kazja said possibly. Zuffa then said do you know who we are? We are millionaires, we will squash you. Guess what Marc Ratner and Krk Hendrik both were NSAC members and now work for Zuffa/UFC. Lorenzo Fertitta was a Commissioner of the NSAC and is owner of Zuffa/UFC. Go figure. Now they are squashing my Octagon Nation creation and business. ( more to come )
Octagon Originator Octagon and MMA Approval ( part 4 ) The greatest of what happened after MMA was approved in California and the final day of approval of MMA by NSAC. The NSAC/Marc Ratner informed all the interested parties and all the MMA promoters who were currently doing MMA events on Indian Reservations and Kazja who was doing off Indian reservations MMA events in California useing his creation the OctagonMarc Ratner the EO of the NSAC at the time but now employed by Zuffa/UFC now told all parties to attend the hearing so the rules will be finalized. He also said nonewMMAlicenses will go out on this day that they are going to just approve the sport. If this was true we would have all had a fair chance. Zuffa/UFC did not have a license at the time. Well when we all showed up for the hearing Zuffa was on the agenda to hold there first MMA event in Nevada. They did not have a license but had a pay per view deal and used a Casinos boxing license to pull of the first MMA sanctioned event for Pay Per View before anyone else could. Lorenzo Fertittas ties with the NSAC at the time and the hiring of Kirk Hendrik the ex Deputy Attorney for gaming and NSAC paid off. ( more to come with proof Kazja attended the hearing)
Octagon Originator Octagon and MMA Approval (part5) Now it is 2001 and MMA is approved in Nevada by NSAC the CSAC now has banned MMA after it was approved in 2000 by them and after they issued a license to Kazja. Go figure why this all of a sudden happened.
http://octagonoctane.com/?p=139


Okay, so that is definitely Chuck Liddell in those videos.  So why is "Kage Kombat" no where in his record?  

Further, I remember another FOX documentary way back when (90s) about 'underground cage fights'.  These were supposedly "No-Holds-Barred" and they also featured topless ring girls who handed out free copies of pornos.  I have just always wondered about the relation between these old underground cage fights and the modern mma.  I used to frequent a certain other forum that would call BS on the claims of guys like Frank Dux who claimed to fight in those (and rightly so), but these fights did exist and I would like a good chronology of who really brought them to legitimacy.
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:57 am
While the original show with the Bob Meyrowitz interview is still up on Archive.org, should I repost it on Podomatic? Listening to it today, almost eight years later, we see a lot has changed. Thanks.
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That was nhb20. I just did nhb960.
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nhbnews wrote:While the original show with the Bob Meyrowitz interview is still up on Archive.org, should I repost it on Podomatic? Listening to it today, almost eight years later, we see a lot has changed. Thanks.

It would be great to repost on Podomatic.
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nhbnews wrote:That was nhb20. I just did nhb960.

Nice. Do you have a special planned for show 1,000?
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I think I will try to post it on the weekend. I have another show I'm finishing up now.

For nhb1000, I'd love to have on - Pam Grier! lol

Maybe John Perretti and Bob Meyrowitz again, or some catch wrestling guys. Or someone interviewing me. We shall see.
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:57 pm
nhbnews wrote:I think I will try to post it on the weekend. I have another show I'm finishing up now.

For nhb1000, I'd love to have on - Pam Grier! lol

Maybe John Perretti and Bob Meyrowitz again, or some catch wrestling guys. Or someone interviewing me. We shall see.

Mmmm... Pam Grier.  afro 

I think you still gotta shot Eddie. You don't look a day over nhb100.  Very Happy 
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I think Pam Grier and I are the same age.
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:06 pm
nhbnews wrote:While the original show with the Bob Meyrowitz interview is still up on Archive.org, should I repost it on Podomatic? Listening to it today, almost eight years later, we see a lot has changed. Thanks.

Repost it Eddie.

I think it would be great if you did a print interview piece or an audio interview piece that laid out the chronology of all the NSAC sanction things. Start out with the things surrounding the 1990 by SEG/Meyrowitz ending with the Zuffa purchase in 2001. This is pivotal time in the history of MMA and the UFC and SEG then Zuffa's roll in it. I might even give Zuffa a chance to comment or give their historical take.

There's no better MMA historian than you Eddie. You were there for a lot of it. This should be a major chapter in MMA history textbooks.
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