Re: UFC on FOX 3: Miller vs. Diaz Completely Bombs in the Ratings

Mon May 07, 2012 6:18 pm

All the main card fights were awesome. I don't know what they expected really though. People have shit to do, lives to live and can't stay glued to the tv the entire day watching fights and nobody was gonna miss the Mayweather fight. I had to go back and watch the fights on the internet.

Mon May 07, 2012 6:31 pm

I wish that MMA is approaching its golden era, this remains to be seen though.

Theres some very positive changes in how MMA is viewed (as a sport) in places like Russia, the acceptance of MMA in China (with government support). And promotions popping up in other countries like India.

As a sport MMA is growing around the world but the sport in America is decreasing. American MMA fans are a fickle bunch and most really only support the UFC, the UFC was very lucky in shoring up the services of one Brock Lesnar with his multitude of dumb zombie WWE fans.

The best thing is that UFC is pretty much powerless and cant just buy up other regional promotions like it did to Affliction and Strikeforce. I cant see a currently thriving, growing and successful promotion like M-1 for example be bought out by Zuffa.

Hopefully, in the future, we will see all these regional promotions share fighters and work with each other. This is what made Pride so successful and this is why Pride was seen as more "legit" since they accepted fighters from all around the world and champions from all other promotions.

Mon May 07, 2012 8:10 pm

Putting the ratings into perspective:

"The fast national numbers are in for last night's show and it totalled 2.25 million viewers. It should be noted that this is a number that measured what was on from 8-10 p.m. on all the FOX stations, which means on the West Coast, it measured whatever the station aired in that slot. Some stations aired a replay of the fights and many aired other programming.

But no matter how you slice it, the number was very bad. That number would work out to a rating in the 1.2 or 1.3 range, horrible for first-run network programming. With the West Coast, the number could rise. The first show rose about 19% but the second show didn't rise at all from the original number, so we're looking at a final number probably between a 1.2 and 1.6.

The 1/28 show did a 2.6 rating and 4.7 million viewers.

While it was the highest rated show on the networks in the 18-49 demo, the competition was rerun programming and it was the least watched show in its time slot of all the networks except for NBC.

It appears to have done worse then previous Strikeforce and Elite XC weak shows on CBS and along the lines of what WWE shows do for their two NBC appearances that are now considered throw aways in the same time slot."

- From Dave Meltzer

http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/118-daily-updates/25490-ufc-on-fox-ratings?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

"Facing stiff competition from the NCAA Basketball Tournament, the NBC telecast of the Chicago/NY-NJ game on March 31 received a 1.5 rating, at that time the lowest ever for any major network primetime weekend first-run sports television broadcast in the United States."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFL

It's completely understandable expecting this past Saturday's show to receive a low rating, Viv, when compared to the two other UFC shows on FOX. But we're not just talking about a "low rating" here. We're talking about a rating that will be lucky to match what the XFL did at their absolute lowest point in their own embarrassing history as one of sports biggest primetime television blunders. We're talking about a primetime sports broadcast that is, if not the lowest ever, will at least be one of the very lowest rated primetime sports broadcasts in American television history. We're talking about a broadcast that, even with the UFC brand power behind it and on a network more friendly to the target demographic, is seeing overnight ratings almost 400,000 less than what the lowest rated MMA show on network television did with Scott Smith & Robbie Lawler as headliners on CBS;

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/07/27/nielsen-ratings-saturday-july-26-elitexc-mma-on-cbs-had-no-kick/4547/

As Meltzer said, "no matter how you slice it, the number was very bad" and is "horrible for first-run network programming". Spin it any way you want to try to minimize the rating. But it ain't going to change just how bad those numbers really were.

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/didnt-everyone-expect-ufc-fox-3-numbers-low-2085815/index7.html#post68899049

Mon May 07, 2012 8:11 pm

monaroCountry wrote:I wish that MMA is approaching its golden era, this remains to be seen though.

Theres some very positive changes in how MMA is viewed (as a sport) in places like Russia, the acceptance of MMA in China (with government support). And promotions popping up in other countries like India.

As a sport MMA is growing around the world but the sport in America is decreasing. American MMA fans are a fickle bunch and most really only support the UFC, the UFC was very lucky in shoring up the services of one Brock Lesnar with his multitude of dumb zombie WWE fans.

The best thing is that UFC is pretty much powerless and cant just buy up other regional promotions like it did to Affliction and Strikeforce. I cant see a currently thriving, growing and successful promotion like M-1 for example be bought out by Zuffa.

Hopefully, in the future, we will see all these regional promotions share fighters and work with each other. This is what made Pride so successful and this is why Pride was seen as more "legit" since they accepted fighters from all around the world and champions from all other promotions.

why not?

Tue May 08, 2012 4:29 am

Success doesn't lie in the demise of UFC, it lies within these fledgling organizations.

The problem with a lot of these organizations is that they rely far too much on the names of the past and UFC castoffs. Instead of putting all their money in these guys, they need to put all their energy in time in building stars of their own. When you've given them a few matches to grow, thats when you should utilize those pre-established talents, pretty much as enhancement for your stars. Sengoku was on the right track and Bellator is doing this to great success.

It would be nice to see this on a larger scale, though. A massive grand prix in each respective weight class would be a good start.

Tue May 08, 2012 7:05 am

moronoRepublic wrote:Success doesn't lie in the demise of UFC, it lies within these fledgling organizations.

The problem with a lot of these organizations is that they rely far too much on the names of the past and UFC castoffs. Instead of putting all their money in these guys, they need to put all their energy in time in building stars of their own. When you've given them a few matches to grow, thats when you should utilize those pre-established talents, pretty much as enhancement for your stars. Sengoku was on the right track and Bellator is doing this to great success.

It would be nice to see this on a larger scale, though. A massive grand prix in each respective weight class would be a good start.

Good post man. Bellator and M-1 are doing the right thing when it comes to building new stars, I just hope they can keep the fighters away from Zuffa. Big GPs in all weight classes with the top guys from all the non-zuffa promotions is exactly what the sport needs. I also want something like WAMMA to put on legit world titles for these GPs. Our rankings would be useful for this International organization.

Tue May 08, 2012 1:50 pm

Final UFC on Fox 3 Ratings Show Massive Viewership Decline
by Brent Brookhouse on May 8, 2012 12:00 PM EDT in UFC News

As we reported on Sunday, the overnight ratings for the UFC's third effort on Fox were not exactly encouraging. The final ratings are not exactly showing any improvement either. The final story here is going to be that the UFC lost half the viewers from the second Fox effort, which was down from the huge number on the first show.

While no one expected that massive number for the heavyweight title fight between Junior dos Santos and then champion Cain Velasquez to continue forward, I don't think anyone quite expected this.

Here's the exact info:

@tvsportsratings
TVSportsratings
UFC on FOX 3: 1.6 Men 18-34 (-50% vs. UFC on FOX 2) and 2.4 mil viewers (-48%)
May 08 via web Favorite Retweet Reply
It gets worse:

@lorettahuntmma
Loretta Hunt
UFC on FOX 3 did 2.418 million average viewers for 1.5 HH rating. It was No. 6 out of the 8 programs that ran in same time slots.
May 08 via HootSuite Favorite Retweet Reply
More after the jump...

Another tweet of some interest:

@MMASupremacy
MMA Supremacy
UFC on FOX 3 did -34% on average than 2012 episodes of COPS, which air on same time slot (Saturday nights) #mma #UFC #fox #ratings
May 08 via Twitter for iPhone Favorite Retweet Reply

Look, it's not hard to figure out what happened. The UFC went for excitement (which they got) but didn't bring the necessary big names to the party. And we can keep pretending it didn't matter, but they were heads-up with a boxing show that had four fighters (Canelo, Mosley, Mayweather and Cotto) who are bigger than anyone on that UFC card will ever be in terms of name value. Without star power, no one was going to turn off the PPV they just dropped $70 for.

They're going to try to spin this into that they still won the timeslot in specific (probably young male) demos. And that may be true, but huge declines and finishing 6th of 8 is not good in any way.

As long as they take it as a learning experience and move forward appropriately there's no reason for panic just yet.

Tue May 08, 2012 3:54 pm

moronoRepublic wrote:Success doesn't lie in the demise of UFC, it lies within these fledgling organizations.

The problem with a lot of these organizations is that they rely far too much on the names of the past and UFC castoffs. Instead of putting all their money in these guys, they need to put all their energy in time in building stars of their own. When you've given them a few matches to grow, thats when you should utilize those pre-established talents, pretty much as enhancement for your stars. Sengoku was on the right track and Bellator is doing this to great success.

It would be nice to see this on a larger scale, though. A massive grand prix in each respective weight class would be a good start.

.....

Tue May 08, 2012 4:18 pm

moronoRepublic wrote:Success doesn't lie in the demise of UFC, it lies within these fledgling organizations.

Depends on the type of success you're looking for.

Can't say I care much if mma becomes this extremely popular sport everywhere. I want to see fights between all existing fighters set up fast, easy and as soon as possible. How many high profile (as well as not so high profile but still interesting) fights has the UFC prevented from happening so far. A possible benefit of a UFC demise is seeing fights that wouldn't have happened if the UFC was in the way.

That in itself is a success.

Tue May 08, 2012 7:38 pm

MMA is never becoming popular. 2011-now showed us that. 2010 was the peak of popularity.

Tue May 08, 2012 8:26 pm

Misowaman wrote:MMA is never becoming popular. 2011-now showed us that. 2010 was the peak of popularity.

The 'UFC' and the 'American brand' of MMA hits its peak in the USA in 2010. That's only 4% of the people on this blue planet. There is another 6.3 billion people in 241 countries who all have their regional martial arts with centuries old histories.

These other 241 around the world places have a huge potential for MMA. Probably not though the UFC brand of Ultimate fighting with its mostly American, 2nd+ tier worldwide, wrestlers who never learned how to properly throw a punch or kick until they were in their mid-20's or 30's... and asked submission grappling... what is that???

Below is the future of MIXED Martial Arts not 'Ultimate Fighting'...

...

Rank	Country (or dependent territory)	Population	Date	% of worldpopulation	Source
1	China^[6]	1,347,350,000	December 31, 2011	19.22%	Official estimate
2	India	1,210,193,422	March 1, 2011	17.26%	2011 census
3	~~United States~~	~~313,502,000~~	~~May 8, 2012~~	~~4.47%~~	~~Official population clock~~
4	Indonesia	237,641,326	May 1, 2010	3.39%	2010 census
5	Brazil	192,376,496	July 1, 2011	2.74%	Official estimate
6	Pakistan	179,491,000	May 8, 2012	2.56%	Official population clock
7	Nigeria	162,471,000	July 1, 2012	2.32%	UN estimate
8	Russia	143,056,383	January 1, 2012	2.04%	Official estimate
9	Bangladesh	142,319,000	March 15, 2011	2.03%	2011 census
10	Japan	127,650,000	April 1, 2012	1.82%	Monthly official estimate
11	Mexico	112,336,538	June 12, 2010	1.6%	2010 census
12	Philippines	92,337,852	May 1, 2010	1.32%	2010 census
13	Vietnam	87,840,000	July 1, 2011	1.25%	Official estimate
14	Ethiopia	84,320,987	July 1, 2012	1.2%	Official estimate
15	Egypt	82,024,000	May 8, 2012	1.17%	Official population clock
16	Germany	81,858,000	October 31, 2011	1.17%	Monthly official estimate
17	Iran	76,337,000	May 8, 2012	1.09%	Official population clock
18	Turkey	74,724,269	December 31, 2011	1.07%	Official estimate
19	Democratic Republic of the Congo	67,758,000	July 1, 2012	0.97%	UN estimate
20	Thailand	65,479,453	September 1, 2010	0.93%	2010 census
21	France^[7]	65,350,000	January 1, 2012	0.93%	Official estimate
22	United Kingdom	62,262,000	July 1, 2010	0.89%	Official estimate
23	Italy	59,464,644	October 9, 2011	0.85%	2011 census
24	South Africa	50,586,757	July 1, 2011	0.72%	Official estimate
25	South Korea	48,580,000	November 1, 2010	0.69%	2010 census
26	Myanmar	48,337,000	July 1, 2012	0.69%	UN estimate
27	Colombia	46,504,000	May 8, 2012	0.66%	Official population clock
28	Spain	46,185,697	April 1, 2012	0.66%	Monthly official estimate
29	Ukraine	45,644,419	December 1, 2011	0.65%	Monthly official estimate
30	Tanzania	43,188,000	July 1, 2010	0.62%	Official estimate
31	Argentina	40,117,096	October 27, 2010	0.57%	2010 census
32	Kenya	38,610,097	August 24, 2009	0.55%	2009 census
33	Poland	38,501,000	March 31, 2011	0.55%	2011 census
34	Algeria	37,100,000	January 1, 2012	0.53%	Official estimate
35	Canada	34,791,100	May 8, 2012	0.5%	Official population clock
36	Iraq	33,330,000	July 1, 2011	0.48%	Official estimate
37	Uganda	32,939,800	July 1, 2011	0.47%	Official estimate
38	Morocco	32,545,500	May 8, 2012	0.46%	Official population clock
39	Sudan	30,894,000	April 22, 2008	0.44%	2008 census
40	Peru	30,135,875	June 30, 2012	0.43%	Official estimate
41	Uzbekistan	29,123,400	July 1, 2011	0.42%	Official estimate
42	Malaysia	28,334,135	July 6, 2010	0.4%	2010 census
43	Venezuela	27,150,095	November 30, 2011	0.39%	2011 census
44	Saudi Arabia	27,136,977	April 28, 2010	0.39%	2010 census
45	Nepal	26,620,809	June 22, 2011	0.38%	2011 census
46	Yemen	24,527,000	July 1, 2012	0.35%	Official estimate
47	Afghanistan	24,485,600	January 1, 2011	0.35%	Official estimate
48	Ghana	24,223,431	September 26, 2010	0.35%	2010 census
49	North Korea	24,052,231	October 1, 2008	0.34%	2008 census
50	Mozambique	23,700,715	July 1, 2012	0.34%	Official estimate
51	Taiwan^[8]	23,239,268	March 31, 2012	0.33%	Monthly official estimate
52	Australia	22,899,002	May 8, 2012	0.33%	Official population clock
53	Syria	21,561,000	May 8, 2012	0.31%	Official population clock
54	Côte d'Ivoire	21,395,000	July 1, 2009	0.31%	Official estimate
55	Madagascar	20,696,070	July 1, 2011	0.3%	Official estimate
56	Sri Lanka	20,653,000	July 1, 2010	0.29%	Official estimate
57	Angola	20,609,294	July 1, 2012	0.29%	Official estimate
58	Cameroon	19,406,100	January 1, 2010	0.28%	Official estimate
59	Romania	19,042,936	October 20, 2011	0.27%	2011 census
60	Chile	17,402,630	June 30, 2012	0.25%	Official estimate
61	Netherlands	16,733,727	March 31, 2012	0.24%	Monthly official estimate
62	Kazakhstan	16,718,000	March 1, 2012	0.24%	Monthly official estimate
63	Niger	16,274,738	July 1, 2012	0.23%	Official estimate
64	Burkina Faso	15,730,977	July 1, 2010	0.22%	Official estimate
65	Guatemala	14,713,763	July 1, 2011	0.21%	Official estimate
66	Mali	14,528,662	April 1, 2009	0.21%	2009 census
67	Ecuador	14,483,499	November 28, 2010	0.21%	2010 census
68	Cambodia	13,395,682	March 3, 2008	0.19%	2008 census
69	Malawi	13,077,160	June 1, 2008	0.19%	2008 census
70	Zambia	13,046,508	October 16, 2010	0.19%	2010 census
71	Senegal	12,855,153	July 1, 2011	0.18%	Official estimate
72	Zimbabwe	12,754,000	July 1, 2012	0.18%	UN estimate
73	Chad	11,274,106	May 20, 2009	0.16%	2009 census
74	Cuba	11,241,161	December 31, 2010	0.16%	Official estimate
75	Belgium	10,951,266	January 1, 2011	0.16%	Official estimate
76	Greece	10,787,690	May 24, 2011	0.15%	2011 census
77	Rwanda	10,718,379	July 1, 2011	0.15%	Official estimate
78	Tunisia	10,673,800	July 1, 2011	0.15%	Official estimate
79	Portugal	10,561,614	March 21, 2011	0.15%	2011 census
80	Czech Republic	10,504,203	December 31, 2011	0.15%	Official estimate
81	Bolivia	10,426,154	2010	0.15%	Official estimate
82	Guinea	10,217,591	July 1, 2009	0.15%	Official estimate
83	Haiti	10,085,214	July 1, 2010	0.14%	Official estimate
84	Hungary	9,962,000	January 1, 2012	0.14%	Official estimate
85	Somalia^[9]	9,797,000	July 1, 2012	0.14%	UN estimate
86	Sweden	9,490,683	February 29, 2012	0.14%	Monthly official estimate
87	Belarus	9,460,600	April 1, 2012	0.13%	Monthly official estimate
88	Dominican Republic	9,378,818	December 1, 2010	0.13%	2010 census
89	Azerbaijan	9,111,100	January 1, 2011	0.13%	Official estimate
90	Benin	9,100,000	July 1, 2012	0.13%	UN estimate
91	Austria	8,452,835	July 1, 2012	0.12%	Official estimate
92	Honduras	8,385,072	July 1, 2012	0.12%	Official estimate
93	United Arab Emirates	8,264,070	July 1, 2010	0.12%	Official estimate
94	South Sudan	8,260,490	April 22, 2008	0.12%	2008 census
95	Burundi	8,038,618	June 18, 2008	0.11%	2008 census
96	Switzerland	7,952,600	December 31, 2011	0.11%	Official estimate
97	Israel	7,859,300	February 29, 2012	0.11%	Monthly official estimate
98	Tajikistan	7,800,000	January 1, 2012	0.11%	Official estimate
99	Bulgaria	7,364,570	February 1, 2011	0.11%	2011 census
100	Serbia	7,120,666	October 1, 2011	0.1%	2011 census
101	Hong Kong (China)^[10]	7,103,700	December 31, 2011	0.1%	Official estimate
102	Papua New Guinea	7,014,000	July 1, 2012	0.1%	UN estimate
103	Laos	6,465,800	July 1, 2012	0.092%	Official estimate
104	Libya	6,423,000	July 1, 2012	0.092%	UN estimate
105	Paraguay	6,337,127	July 1, 2010	0.09%	Official estimate
106	Jordan	6,297,400	May 8, 2012	0.09%	Official population clock
107	Togo	6,191,155	November 6, 2010	0.088%	2010 census
108	El Salvador	6,183,000	June 30, 2010	0.088%	Official estimate
109	Sierra Leone	5,997,000	July 1, 2012	0.086%	UN estimate
110	Nicaragua	5,815,524	July 1, 2010	0.083%	Official estimate
111	Denmark	5,580,516	January 1, 2012	0.08%	Monthly official estimate
112	Kyrgyzstan	5,477,600	July 1, 2011	0.078%	Official estimate
113	Slovakia	5,445,324	September 30, 2011	0.078%	Official estimate
114	Eritrea	5,415,000	July 1, 2012	0.077%	UN estimate
115	Finland	5,407,960	May 8, 2012	0.08%	Official population clock
116	Singapore	5,183,700	June 30, 2011	0.074%	Official estimate
117	Turkmenistan	5,105,000	July 1, 2012	0.073%	UN estimate
118	Norway	5,009,100	May 8, 2012	0.071%	Official population clock
119	Ireland	4,588,252	April 10, 2011	0.065%	2011 census
120	Central African Republic	4,487,000	July 1, 2012	0.064%	UN estimate
121	Georgia	4,469,200	January 1, 2011	0.064%	Official estimate

Tue May 08, 2012 8:28 pm

122	New Zealand	4,434,440	May 8, 2012	0.063%	Official population clock
123	Costa Rica	4,301,712	June 3, 2011	0.061%	2011 census
124	Palestinian territories^[11]	4,293,309	July 1, 2012	0.061%	Official estimate
125	Croatia	4,290,612	March 31, 2011	0.061%	2011 census
126	Lebanon	4,259,000	July 1, 2012	0.061%	UN estimate
127	Republic of the Congo	4,140,000	July 1, 2012	0.059%	UN estimate
128	Bosnia and Herzegovina	3,839,737	June 30, 2011	0.055%	Official estimate
129	Puerto Rico	3,725,789	April 1, 2010	0.053%	2010 census
130	Kuwait	3,582,054	December 31, 2010	0.051%	Official estimate
131	Moldova	3,559,500	January 1, 2012	0.051%	Official estimate
132	Liberia	3,476,608	April 1, 2008	0.05%	Census result
133	Panama	3,405,813	May 16, 2010	0.049%	2010 census
134	Mauritania	3,378,254	July 1, 2012	0.048%	Official estimate
135	Armenia	3,268,500	July 1, 2011	0.047%	Official estimate
136	Uruguay	3,251,526	September 30, 2011	0.046%	2011 census
137	Lithuania	3,190,100	April 1, 2012	0.045%	Monthly official estimate
138	Albania	2,831,741	October 1, 2011	0.04%	2011 census
139	Oman	2,773,479	December 12, 2010	0.04%	2010 census
140	Mongolia	2,736,800	July 1, 2009	0.039%	Official estimate
141	Jamaica	2,705,827	December 31, 2010	0.039%	Official estimate
142	Namibia	2,324,000	July 1, 2012	0.033%	UN estimate
143	Lesotho	2,194,000	July 1, 2012	0.031%	UN estimate
144	Latvia	2,070,371	March 1, 2011	0.03%	2011 census
145	Slovenia	2,059,240	May 8, 2012	0.003%	Official population clock
146	Macedonia	2,057,284	December 31, 2010	0.029%	Official estimate
147	Botswana	2,038,228	August 22, 2011	0.029%	2011 census
148	Gambia	1,776,000	July 1, 2012	0.025%	UN estimate
149	Qatar	1,699,435	April 21, 2010	0.024%	2010 census
150	Gabon	1,534,000	July 1, 2012	0.022%	UN estimate
151	Guinea-Bissau	1,520,830	March 1, 2009	0.022%	2009 census
152	Estonia	1,318,005	January 1, 2012	0.019%	Official estimate
153	Trinidad and Tobago	1,317,714	July 1, 2010	0.019%	Official estimate
154	Mauritius	1,286,051	July 1, 2011	0.018%	Official estimate
155	Bahrain	1,234,571	April 27, 2010	0.018%	2010 census
156	Swaziland	1,203,000	July 1, 2012	0.017%	UN estimate
157	Timor-Leste	1,066,409	July 11, 2010	0.015%	2010 census
158	Fiji	868,000	July 1, 2012	0.012%	UN estimate
159	Cyprus	838,897	October 1, 2011	0.012%	2011 census
160	Djibouti	818,159	May 29, 2009	0.012%	2009 census
161	Réunion (France)	816,364	January 1, 2009	0.012%	Official estimate
162	Guyana	784,894	July 1, 2010	0.011%	Official estimate
163	Bhutan	720,679	July 1, 2012	0.01%	Official estimate
164	Equatorial Guinea	720,000	July 1, 2012	0.01%	UN estimate
165	Comoros	669,300	July 1, 2009	0.0095%	Official estimate
166	Montenegro	620,029	April 1, 2011	0.0088%	2011 census
167	Macau (China)^[12]	557,400	December 1, 2011	0.0079%	Official estimate
168	Solomon Islands	553,935	July 1, 2012	0.0079%	Official estimate
169	Western Sahara	548,000	July 1, 2012	0.0078%	UN estimate
170	Suriname	529,000	July 1, 2012	0.0075%	UN estimate
171	Luxembourg	511,800	December 31, 2010	0.0073%	Official estimate
172	Cape Verde	491,875	June 16, 2010	0.007%	2010 census
173	Brunei	422,700	July 1, 2011	0.006%	Official estimate
174	Malta	417,617	December 31, 2010	0.006%	Official estimate
175	Guadeloupe (France)	401,554	January 1, 2009	0.0057%	Official estimate
176	Martinique (France)	396,404	January 1, 2009	0.0057%	Official estimate
177	Bahamas	353,658	May 3, 2010	0.005%	2010 census
178	Iceland	319,575	January 1, 2012	0.0046%	Official estimate
179	Maldives	317,280	July 1, 2010	0.0045%	Official estimate
180	Belize	312,971	May 12, 2010	0.0045%	2010 census
181	Barbados	274,200	July 1, 2010	0.0039%	Official estimate
182	French Polynesia	274,000	July 1, 2012	0.0039%	UN estimate
183	New Caledonia (France)	245,580	July 27, 2009	0.0035%	2009 census
184	Vanuatu	234,023	November 16, 2009	0.0033%	2009 census
185	French Guiana (France)	224,469	January 1, 2009	0.0032%	Official estimate
186	Mayotte (France)	211,000	July 1, 2012	0.003%	UN estimate
187	Samoa	186,340	November 7, 2011	0.0027%	2011 census
188	São Tomé and Príncipe	169,000	July 1, 2012	0.0024%	UN estimate
189	Saint Lucia	166,526	May 10, 2010	0.0024%	2010 census
190	Guam (USA)	159,358	April 1, 2010	0.0023%	2010 census
191	Curaçao (the Netherlands)	149,679	March 26, 2011	0.0021%	2011 census
192	Grenada	110,821	July 1, 2009	0.0016%	Official estimate
193	United States Virgin Islands	106,405	April 1, 2010	0.0015%	2010 census
194	Tonga	103,036	November 30, 2011	0.0015%	2011 census
195	Federated States of Micronesia	102,624	April 4, 2010	0.0015%	2010 census
196	Aruba (the Netherlands)	101,484	September 29, 2010	0.0014%	2010 census
197	Kiribati	101,000	July 1, 2012	0.0014%	UN estimate
198	Saint Vincent and the Grenadines	100,892	July 1, 2009	0.0014%	Official estimate
199	Jersey (UK)	97,857	March 27, 2011	0.0014%	2011 census
200	Seychelles	90,945	August 26, 2010	0.0013%	2010 census
201	Antigua and Barbuda	86,295	May 27, 2011	0.0012%	2011 census
202	Isle of Man (UK)	84,497	March 27, 2011	0.0012%	2011 census
203	Andorra	78,115	July 1, 2011	0.0011%	Official estimate
204	Dominica	71,293	May 14, 2011	0.001%	2011 census
205	Bermuda (UK)	64,237	May 20, 2010	0.00092%	2010 census
206	Guernsey (UK)	62,431	March 31, 2010	0.00089%	Official estimate
207	Greenland (Denmark)	56,749	January 1, 2012	0.00081%	Official estimate
208	American Samoa (USA)	55,519	April 1, 2010	0.00079%	2010 census
209	Cayman Islands (UK)	54,878	October 10, 2010	0.00078%	2010 census
210	Marshall Islands	54,305	July 1, 2010	0.00077%	Official estimate
211	Northern Mariana Islands (USA)	53,883	April 1, 2010	0.00077%	2010 census
212	Saint Kitts and Nevis	51,970	July 1, 2009	0.00074%	Official estimate
213	Faroe Islands (Denmark)	48,278	February 1, 2012	0.00069%	Monthly official estimate
214	Turks and Caicos Islands (UK)	44,493	July 1, 2012	0.00063%	Official estimate
215	Sint Maarten (the Netherlands)	37,429	January 1, 2010	0.00053%	Official estimate
216	Saint Martin (France)	36,824	January 1, 2009	0.00053%	Official estimate
217	Liechtenstein	36,476	December 31, 2011	0.00052%	Official estimate
218	Monaco	35,881	July 1, 2010	0.00051%	Official estimate
219	San Marino	32,284	February 29, 2012	0.00046%	Monthly official estimate
220	Gibraltar (UK)^[13]	29,441	July 1, 2010	0.00042%	Official estimate
221	Åland Islands (Finland)	28,355	December 31, 2011	0.0004%	Official estimate
222	British Virgin Islands (UK)	28,213	July 1, 2008	0.0004%	Official estimate
223	Caribbean Netherlands (the Netherlands)	21,133	January 1, 2011	0.0003%	Official estimate
224	Palau	21,000	July 1, 2012	0.0003%	UN estimate
225	Cook Islands (NZ)	17,791	December 1, 2011	0.00025%	2011 census
226	Anguilla (UK)	15,236	July 1, 2011	0.00022%	Official estimate
227	Wallis and Futuna (France)	13,445	July 21, 2008	0.00019%	2008 census
228	Nauru	10,000	July 1, 2012	0.00014%	UN estimate
229	Tuvalu	10,000	July 1, 2012	0.00014%	UN estimate
230	Saint Barthélemy (France)	8,902	January 1, 2009	0.00013%	Official estimate
231	Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France)	6,082	January 1, 2009	0.00006%	Official estimate
232	Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha (UK)	5,661	July, 2008	0.00004%	census 2008
233	Montserrat (UK)	4,922	May 12, 2011	0.00005%	2011 census
234	Falkland Islands (UK)^[14]	3,000	July 1, 2012	0.00003%	UN estimate
235	Svalbard and Jan Mayen (Norway)	2,495	March 1, 2010	0.00002%	Official estimate
236	Norfolk Island (Australia)	2,302	August 9, 2011	0.00002%	2011 census
237	Christmas Island (Australia)	1,462	June 30, 2010	0.00001%	Official estimate
238	Tokelau (NZ)	1,411	October 18, 2011	0.00001%	2011 census
239	Niue (NZ)	1,000	July 1, 2012	0.00001%	UN estimate
240	Vatican City	800	March 1, 2011	0.00001%	Official estimate
241	Cocos (Keeling) Islands (Australia)	605	June 30, 2010	0.000001%	Official estimate
242	Pitcairn Islands (UK)	66	July 1, 2008	0.000000001%	2008 census

Tue May 08, 2012 8:40 pm

I saw a few words, but a bunch of pictures without anything being said.

Tue May 08, 2012 8:57 pm

Misowaman wrote:I saw a few words, but a bunch of pictures without anything being said.

Thanks for making my point for me. Smile

Tue May 08, 2012 9:25 pm

Not only did EliteXC and Strikeforce draw better numbers at their lowest point, but so did Nate Diaz himself when headlining an UFN card on cable with Melvin Guillard:

http://mmajunkie.com/news/16230/ufc-fight-night-19-peaks-with-2-9-million-viewers-second-most-in-series-history.mma

Tue May 08, 2012 9:37 pm

Misowaman wrote:MMA is never becoming popular. 2011-now showed us that. 2010 was the peak of popularity.

MMA had it's peak before in Japan, and now again in the US, it might happen another time. Nowadays there are much more orgs and new countries interested in the sport too. It can get better in the future. Not sure about the US, but soccer proves that there's no need to depend on America to make a big sport. Only time will tell. Of course compared to the UFC the others are smaller, but countries like Brazil, which had MMA as an ultra violent sport because of the old days are now starting to accept it well and there's a boom of new orgs showing up all the time and being well received, Russia and old soviet countries are still working on their pro sports, since it was not allowed in the soviet union, and Sambo being a national sport and their excellence on wrestling and other combats sports might attrack more specialists when the money is there, bringing more people to support the sport like Fedor does there. Asian countries that have martial arts in their culture too might get interested, like Japan did. Be MMA or something else like Pankration or Vale-tudo, this kind of thing will always exist. All around fighting sparks interest, always did and always will.

Johan here always says that the future of MMA is on Europe and Asia, considering the point of view i just gave, you can see the possibilities. We can't jump to conclusions now, just discuss the possibilities that are there. Everything will depend on how orgs act from now on. Unfortunately there is a chance of it going down too, of course.

I said before that if the UFC falls the rest of the sport will start again, but i'll change my words. It will indeed be little compared to what it is now, but that's because it is only starting, not because it's a failure. With time it has everything to do well. I don't know if it will ever be as big as boxing, but yes, i'm sure it will continue being alive.

Tue May 08, 2012 9:59 pm

Boxing does not need America either today to survive.

Championship bouts are regularly held all over the world & the Klit bro's are doing very well for themselves without America.

Of course America is still the single biggest market but is not an absolute necessity for Boxing's survival.

Market diversification is good, that's why MMA as a sport had it better off when Pride rivaled the UFC.

Strap in for 30 seconds and read it – You’ll learn something…..

Ray Mercer, James Toney, Ricardo Mayorga and B.J. Flores are really stirring things up this year in MMA.

The hate for Boxing here by about half the fans or better is an incredible thing.
It’s like saying you’re a great mechanic but you don’t like getting your hands dirty to say you’re a MMA fan who can’t appreciate Boxing.

For two sports that are so much alike it’s amazing how parallel their fan bases actually are.
The competition marketing is the choice reason for this, pitting one against the other in hopes of ‘stealing’ fans.

I enjoy boxing’s protracted, evolving pace and the grace and athleticism of the fighters there, and I enjoy MMA because of it’s hurried tempo and the puzzle solving strategies employed by their athletes.
I’ve been associated with both sports in the context of providing investment capital in recent years, and in capacities in the past ranging from fighter to writer, commission chairperson to coach, and though I troll a bit here at this site, I hold deep knowledge, experience and respect for both these sports, which in reality are the same sport.

And no, Boxing is not “Dead”, except perhaps to white American 15 year olds, but boxing hasn’t appealed to them much for almost 30 years.
Boxing has always been an adult thing, which MMA, like it’s close cousin pro wrestling, has never been.

In Germany this past year the UFC failed miserably. Fans generally ignored their event and the press just destroyed it.
In Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung, one of the country’s biggest newspapers, a slew of negative articles appeared that snowballed throughout Europe, leading to a number of officials from 11 different nations stating publicly that the sport of MMA would not be welcome in their country, and in Germany itself, Laxness Arena the venue where UFC 99 was held was forced to ban anyone under the age of 18 from attending the show after the head of a local child protection commission pushed for it.
The viewership was dismal and less than 18,000 fans attended in spite of 4 times as much spent on advertising and PR by the UFC than what went into the card’s entire payroll.

Days later, Heavyweight world champion Vladimir Klitschko stopped WBA “champion in recess” Ruslan Chagaev in front of a massive 61,000 in attendance, which was the biggest crowd to see a boxing event in Germany since the days of Max Schmeling, demonstrating both Boxing's immense level of growth everywhere in the world outside the U.S., as well as Boxing vs. MMA popularity outside the small MA comfort zone of suburban North America.

In Germany, Ukraine and Russia, as they are all over Europe, the Klitschkos are enormous stars, the way Peyton and Eli Manning, Derrick Jeeter or Tiger Woods are in the United States, regularly starring in commercials for everything from health clubs to chocolate, and the brothers have deals with big brands like Mercedes-Benz and Hugo Boss. Vladimir Klitschko regularly draws more than 10 million viewers for his fights in Germany, even though the country is less than a third the size of the United States.

The U.S., the only nation on earth (including Brazil and Japan) that regularly hosts profitable MMA shows, is no longer the center of revenue for Boxing. It was the Klitschko brothers, in fact, who blazed the trail when they chose to sign with Universum Box-Promotion, based in Hamburg, rather than with Don King after Vladimir won the superheavyweight gold medal at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta.

And while North American PPV numbers make up some 96 percent of MMA’s gross international revenue, those figures for Boxing make up less than 40 percent in terms of where Boxing gets it’s money.

Contrary to popular MMA legend, the gross take for Boxing world wide outdid that for MMA better than 2 to 1 in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009, and this year, with UFC figures well below last year’s medium level of 620,000, the gap between Boxing and MMA will widen for 2010.

Like MMA, Catch wrestling grew from collecting together the provincial styles of grappling from around the world a dozen years after the end of the American civil war, and grew to become neck & neck with boxing in the late 19th and very early 20th centuries, sometimes even surpassing boxing in certain places, depending on how you measure, just as MMA is doing today.

But by 1914 the sport was dead, the fad was over, and all the fans and fighters morphed into fake, sideshow professional wrestling or gave up on the old sport altogether.

MMA, whose roots lie in boxing, wrestling, martial arts of varying kinds and in catch wrestling as well, became an ‘international sport’ with the signal event of UFC I in Denver in 1993, making it 17 years old at the end of the year.

It’s a cautionary tale for young fans today that catch wrestling, once every bit as big as MMA is today or bigger, lasted a whopping 36 years before disappearing from the earth forever.

MMA, as a competitor to boxing, isn’t even half way to where Catch Wrestling was when Boxing chugged right on beyond it, and unlike catch, MMA is almost exclusively an interest undertaken by youth.

The thing to know about the things that we embrace as youths (under age 30) is that their meaning fades and we move beyond them over time, as we age.
Therefore, many of the MMA fanatics today won’t be in another 10 years.
They’ll have left it behind with the rest of their old toys because that’s what growing up does to a person.

And what’s worse for MMA is this:

The generation that comes up next may not embrace the things of your generation.
Ask any old hippie, who once shocked his parents with his style and ideas, when he looks at his son who’s a member of the young republicans.

Your kids will not use your things to make an independent identity for themselves, and if MMA is your signature fight sport and shirts from Affliction represent your style, don’t expect the next generation to follow.

That, kids, is the big drawback in building any business off of a single generation’s ID.

Check back in 2025 and see if I was right.
Lets hope I’m not.

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/mma-fans-hate-boxing-cautionary-tale-1165370/

Tue May 08, 2012 10:09 pm

Btw UFC on Fox 4 will be going up against the Olympics when they are at their half way point.

Expect another flop show if they don't reschedule that because even an NFL pre-season game last Olympics saw the ratings cut in half and that was near the end of the Olympics.

So imagine what the UFC will do with Lombard vs Stann at that time lol. I see a train wreck coming.