Anderson vs Ali - Anderson is the...

GOAT in all of combat sports cause Ali's been looking a little 'shaky' lately.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dana-white-anderson-silva-greatest-062714606--mma.html

“He's the greatest of all time. I think he's the greatest in any combat sport.

Dana shut the f#ck up. Silva is the Greatest MW mma fighter of all time, nothing more, nothing less. Btw I wish Foreman knocked Ali the f#ck out so he would be considered boxing HW GOAT.

I changed my mind.. Silva is the Greatest UFC MW fighter of all time.

Tyson is better than both

Please Dana, STFU.

I guess nobody got the "Ali's been looking a little 'shaky' lately" reference. Medical condition jokes just don't seem to go over well since the 70's.

Zoofa could claim that Bastion Booger is the GOAT in all of combat sports and Yahoo would write a report on it. What else is new?

Yahoo have since taken it down. Too much negative replies on their end?

Talking shit is part of a promoter's job (Even though he takes it too far). Problem is in MMA people and even the media take it seriously.

Sonatine wrote:Zoofa could claim that Bastion Booger is the GOAT in all of combat sports and Yahoo would write a report on it. What else is new?

Yahoo have since taken it down. Too much negative replies on their end?

lmao bastion booger now thats old school

Anderson is the greatest of all time. Before this gimme fight he was. What is so hard to understand about that?

Jose Cansayflows wrote:Anderson is the greatest of all time. Before this gimme fight he was. What is so hard to understand about that?

Do you think Anderson is the greatest in any combat sport like Dana says?

No. Just MMA

Jose Cansayflows wrote:Anderson is the greatest of all time. Before this gimme fight he was. What is so hard to understand about that?

Anderson was NEVER even close to being the GOAT of MMA. Fedor would be so far above him its not funny.

Using MMA math to make Fedor look worse because of his loss to Henderson, well if we do the same thing to Anderson Silva then that same MMA match would also point to Takaku Fuke as being a better fighter than Anderson. Fuke who? exactly an unknown <<<< an ATG like Henderson.

What makes Fedor's greatness shine even more is the fact that he is a MW fighting HW or even HW, whereas Anderson is a LHW or HW fighting in MW.

fedor's competition is far superior than anderson's

Last two posts were blatant bias lies. Fedor is not a MW and that is a fact. LHW, sure but MW? That's a joke. Fedor did not fight superior competition. If that were true then Brock Lesnar must be goat because he destroyed Heath Herring too. Coleman, Big Nog and Crocop are Fedor's best wins. And all those guy didn't look good when they entered the UFC, a proving grounds that Fedor ducked. Let's not forget Fedor fought Zulu, Hunt, Lindland and Hong Man Choi as well as ending his career on 3-3 with 3 wins over cans he was clearly levels above. Got KO'd by a MW, sub'd by a guy the current UFC champ destroyed inside of 2 minutes and his face beat in by a guy Cain made look like a child. There is a reason Fedor avoided the UFC. I didn't want to make this a Fedor vs. Anderson thing but you guys did. I personally think they are both the GOATs of MMA. Both have fought weak competition but no way was Silva's comp weaker. Not to mention Silva is 16-0 in an org Fedor ducked.

Jose Cansayflows wrote:Last two posts were blatant bias lies. Fedor is not a MW and that is a fact. LHW, sure but MW? That's a joke. Fedor did not fight superior competition. If that were true then Brock Lesnar must be goat because he destroyed Heath Herring too. Coleman, Big Nog and Crocop are Fedor's best wins. And all those guy didn't look good when they entered the UFC, a proving grounds that Fedor ducked. Let's not forget Fedor fought Zulu, Hunt, Lindland and Hong Man Choi as well as ending his career on 3-3 with 3 wins over cans he was clearly levels above. Got KO'd by a MW, sub'd by a guy the current UFC champ destroyed inside of 2 minutes and his face beat in by a guy Cain made look like a child. There is a reason Fedor avoided the UFC. I didn't want to make this a Fedor vs. Anderson thing but you guys did. I personally think they are both the GOATs of MMA. Both have fought weak competition but no way was Silva's comp weaker. Not to mention Silva is 16-0 in an org Fedor ducked.

Fedor beat Herring, Nog, Cro Cop etc in their prime. When the PRIDE fighters came to UFC they were past prime. Also they weren´t cagefighters.

UFC ducked Fedor, not the other way around. Stop talking bullshit or GTFO. We don´t tolerate Fedor bashing here. I don´t care if you think Anderson is the greatest but don´t talk shit about Fedor.

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Bashing legends of the past is a combat sports tradition apparently. Give a few years after Anderson retires and another guy will come, and the new fans will say he was a can and that this new guy beats him easily.

Some boxing old timers say people were doing the same thing even with Muhammad Ali, then Tyson and so on.

Josey, your view is very simplistic on the subject. Nobody doubts Ando, but you're bashing many names and ignoring the conditions to get a point.

Jose Cansayflows wrote:Last two posts were blatant bias lies. Fedor is not a MW and that is a fact. LHW, sure but MW? That's a joke. Fedor did not fight superior competition. If that were true then Brock Lesnar must be goat because he destroyed Heath Herring too. Coleman, Big Nog and Crocop are Fedor's best wins. And all those guy didn't look good when they entered the UFC, a proving grounds that Fedor ducked. Let's not forget Fedor fought Zulu, Hunt, Lindland and Hong Man Choi as well as ending his career on 3-3 with 3 wins over cans he was clearly levels above. Got KO'd by a MW, sub'd by a guy the current UFC champ destroyed inside of 2 minutes and his face beat in by a guy Cain made look like a child. There is a reason Fedor avoided the UFC. I didn't want to make this a Fedor vs. Anderson thing but you guys did. I personally think they are both the GOATs of MMA. Both have fought weak competition but no way was Silva's comp weaker. Not to mention Silva is 16-0 in an org Fedor ducked.

Hey Jose!

I haven't had a chance to welcome you to Global-MMA yet. I'm not sure if you were aware of this but G-MMA is not your run of the mill English speaking MMA sight. In fact, aside from that we cover All MMA & ALL MMA orgs, & ALL MMA fighters worldwide. The site is politically opposed to Zuffa the 'business' entity and it's ownership Dana, Lorena Fertitta, and Frank Fertitta lll. Simple as that.


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Lol at you guys taking the trollbait. Its fine if someone honestly believes Anderson in the GOAT, its their opinion after all. After seeing that Werdum, Bigfoot, and Hendo are considered cans I knew this was nothing more than a joke.

You guys literally must be illiterate. Where did I say hendo, werdum or bigfoot were cans? Cuz it never happened. I said Fedor ended his career with three can wins. And if you guys are against zuffa then why have a UFC and SF logo under the MMA section?

hahahaha this shit is a joke.

lmao@ excuses like, they were passed their prime and not cage fighters. Wandy fought in the UFC in a cage before his long pride reign, yes he was past his prime when returning though. Shogun won the LHW belt, Rampage won the LHW belt, Nog won the iterim UFC HW belt. Fedor ducked the UFC. Not to mention all the stories surfacing from former pride fighters talking about how Pride was fixed. I have been watching MMA just as long if not longer than all of you. And if you guys missed it I said I considered both Fedor and Anderson the GOATs of MMA but they both have had their flaws and can fights. You guys are just bashing Anderson because you guys are Zuffa haters which has no bearing on the fighter. You guys are the brain washed haters not me.

And I thought linker was fucking awful.

Jose Cansayflows wrote:Wandy fought in the UFC in a cage before his long pride reign, yes he was past his prime when returning though. Shogun won the LHW belt, Rampage won the LHW belt, Nog won the iterim UFC HW belt.

I quote only this part of your post because it's the only part remotely worth responding to (the rest is just troll dribble as far as I'm concerned), and the only reason to do so is to raise the question of your MMA knowledge, if you claim that these guys weren't indeed past their prime. Prime means when you are at you're peak, and these guys all, though still very capable by the time they fought in the UFC, were clearly beyond their best days. So them winning belts is really just further proof of their superiority of the class of UFC fighters at the time, to be able to win championships despite having already peaked before.

For instance, Shogun fought his first fight in the UFC practically one-legged due to a torn ACL. To say that he has been the same fighter post-injury problems is very ignorant to say the least. But, he is such a talented fighter that he is still better than almost everyone else out there, but he is nevertheless obviously not the same fighter he was in 2005 when he won the Pride Middleweight Grand Prix for instance, and that goes for his entire stint in the UFC.

Shogun is possibly the clearest example; his high was very high, and he's had severe injury problems. But none of the guys you named were in their prime by the time they went to the UFC.

Prime is subjective. Not to mention there is actual prime prime and late prime. All those fighters were in their late prime. Shogun actually had knee issues which indeed did not make him the same fighter. I won't ever say anything bad about Shogun because he is my favorite fighter ever so I will leave it at that. Glad you decided to duck all my points and claim the troll card because you can't debate correctly.

You didn't make any points, just vitriol that doesn't warrant response.

If you ever decide to speak like an adult instead of a pubescent, maybe more people will respond to your comments instead of just ignore you.

How am I not talking like an adult? And it is pretty clear no one is ignoring me.

Jose Cansayflows wrote:You guys literally must be illiterate. Where did I say hendo, werdum or bigfoot were cans? Cuz it never happened. I said Fedor ended his career with three can wins. And if you guys are against zuffa then why have a UFC and SF logo under the MMA section?

hahahaha this shit is a joke.

lmao@ excuses like, they were passed their prime and not cage fighters. Wandy fought in the UFC in a cage before his long pride reign, yes he was past his prime when returning though. Shogun won the LHW belt, Rampage won the LHW belt, Nog won the iterim UFC HW belt. Fedor ducked the UFC. Not to mention all the stories surfacing from former pride fighters talking about how Pride was fixed. I have been watching MMA just as long if not longer than all of you. And if you guys missed it I said I considered both Fedor and Anderson the GOATs of MMA but they both have had their flaws and can fights. You guys are just bashing Anderson because you guys are Zuffa haters which has no bearing on the fighter. You guys are the brain washed haters not me.

And I thought linker was fucking awful.

Quote whoever you´re talking to instead of talking like everyone here said something. Wekka thought you were trolling and calling those guys cans. Who bashed Anderson? You talk like everyone here bashed Anderson. Anderson is one of the greatest fighters ever imo.

Wanderlei was best in the PRIDE ring under PRIDE rules. Wandy is a ring fighter, not a cagefighter same thing goes for most of the PRIDE legends including Fedor.

Let´s move on Jose. What do you think about our rankings? https://global-mma.forumotion.com/t3536-global-mma-rankings-outside-zuffa-october-2012