Bellator 97: Askren vs Koreshkov - July 31 (Official Discussion)

to be fair Askren hasn't fought a great wrestler yet. shit not even someone who has a decent TDD.

wekka wrote:Quite possibly the greatest MMA wrestling in the history of the sport.

yea he's insane

Ben a G.

God i hope Lima Knees him to shit

Wekkas right askren can do this to anyone he gets his arms around.being Olympic calibur doesn't come easy while its not mma it is far higher level grappling then anything anyone in mma can offer.and lets be honest every fight askren has he turns into a straight grappling match something no one will best him at.

Are there even good welterweight wrestlers outside of the UFC?

wekka wrote:Are there even good welterweight wrestlers outside of the UFC?

Fitch  

Fairweather wrote:

wekka wrote:Are there even good welterweight wrestlers outside of the UFC?

Fitch  

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Burkman.  

Michael Chandler is the star of bellator and for good reason good God his hands are progressing every fight.

Truly dangerous everywhere and he is a FINISHER!

Chandler might be the best LW on the planet.

Sweet Pea Is My Mom wrote:Chandler might be the best LW on the planet.

It's debatable, in my opinion I'd say yes.

Incredible speed and power and accuracy.

Sweet Pea Is My Mom wrote:Chandler might be the best LW on the planet.

 

Truly the definition of well rounded fighter high level grappling and now fast accurate heavy hands making him a true force in all of mma.

Bubba Jenkins training with askren could be a black askren LOL not saying they're going to just saying it could happen.

fka wrote:Bubba Jenkins training with askren could be a black askren LOL not saying they're going to just saying it could happen.

 Bubba trains at ATT. unless he moved and im not aware of it

Sweet Pea Is My Mom wrote:Chandler might be the best LW on the planet.

Agreed. He'd eat Benson and Gil for breakfast.

Chandler vs bendo fight of the year in which Chandler legitimately knocks Benson out cold.

MR.WILLIE wrote:Askren wrestling is second to none in mma

Second to none in unified rules cage fight. Same with GSP. You can't use those same top control wrestling strategies without attempting to submit or KO your opponent in many other top MMA leagues overseas. You'll get stood up and then yellow carded riding an opponent much of the time in a very static position and not attempting subs or not throwing big enough strikes to KO or really hurt them.

You gotta learn your MMA rules. There is a lot of different sets of them. Unified rules are not the only rules in MMA. The cage is not the only place where fights take place where the cage is used extensively and affects out comes of fights.

Askren is second to none in North American MMA or in unified rules/cage fighting.

If he or GSP with their specific skill-set and strategy where to employ that back in PRIDE or today in a lot of big orgs overseas the ref would say...

Bubba doesn't train with askren I'm saying if he chose to do so he could employ an identical gameplan.

fka wrote:Bubba doesn't train with askren I'm saying if he chose to do so he could employ an identical gameplan.

 well he isnt a fag so no he wouldn't. he actually goes for the finish.

Dagwood wrote:

MR.WILLIE wrote:Askren wrestling is second to none in mma

Second to none in unified rules cage fight. Same with GSP. You can't use those same top control wrestling strategies without attempting to submit or KO your opponent in many other top MMA leagues overseas. You'll get stood up and then yellow carded riding an opponent much of the time in a very static position and not attempting subs or not throwing big enough strikes to KO or really hurt them.

You gotta learn your MMA rules. There is a lot of different sets of them. Unified rules are not the only rules in MMA. The cage is not the only place where fights take place where the cage is used extensively and affects out comes of fights.

Askren is second to none in North American MMA or in unified rules/cage fighting.

If he or GSP with their specific skill-set and strategy where to employ that back in PRIDE or today in a lot of big orgs overseas the ref would say...

Well I don't care if they fight in the beach, askren wrestling is great, he dominates and damages his opponents...we can disagree on rules, cage or ring, whatever but the reality of things is that you have to ko him in the feet but in the ground this kid is impressive

Realidea wrote:

Sweet Pea Is My Mom wrote:Chandler might be the best LW on the planet.

 

Care to elaborate?

Sweet Pea Is My Mom wrote:

Realidea wrote:

Sweet Pea Is My Mom wrote:Chandler might be the best LW on the planet.

 

Care to elaborate?

 he has 2 decent wins and 1 real good win. again mma fans jump off and on fighters way to quick. if he wins his next fight and looks like shit he sucks if he wins like he did tonight hes the Best Eva. let him fight better competition before calming hes the Best. he's top 7 for sure

MR.WILLIE wrote:

Dagwood wrote:

MR.WILLIE wrote:Askren wrestling is second to none in mma

Second to none in unified rules cage fight. Same with GSP. You can't use those same top control wrestling strategies without attempting to submit or KO your opponent in many other top MMA leagues overseas. You'll get stood up and then yellow carded riding an opponent much of the time in a very static position and not attempting subs or not throwing big enough strikes to KO or really hurt them.

You gotta learn your MMA rules. There is a lot of different sets of them. Unified rules are not the only rules in MMA. The cage is not the only place where fights take place where the cage is used extensively and affects out comes of fights.

Askren is second to none in North American MMA or in unified rules/cage fighting.

If he or GSP with their specific skill-set and strategy where to employ that back in PRIDE or today in a lot of big orgs overseas the ref would say...

Well I don't care if they fight in the beach, askren wrestling is great, he dominates and damages his opponents...we can disagree on rules, cage or ring, whatever but the reality of things is that you have to ko him in the feet but in the ground this kid is impressive

Yes his wrestling is great. The skillset and strategy that he is using is not what MMA was intended to be when the sport was formed nor did anyone foresee the game being so skewed towards wrestling. As I've said, the object of the game WAS to submit or KO your opponent. Simple as that. Don't anybody give nothing about no time limits or head soccer kicks or whatever.

Askren, GSP, and Greg Jackson have figured out loopholes that no one ever intended to be there. No one. It was supposed to be a fair contest for any or all martial arts forms. The object of the game was to submit your opponent. Decisions we're more unintended consequences than any kind of goal. This has now been turned completely on its' head.

As for the beach... Royce Gracie & GJJ already proved that laying in wait eternally with a huge worldclass wrestler in your guard until they made on single mistake ends/wins the fight. Why should a world-class wrestler like Askren be unbeatable off the beach??? Exactly which skill, technique, or strategy that you saw Askren use last night would beat Royce Gracie in the first UFC's?, the beach?, the street?, the grocery store? None. None. He couldn't KO or submit someone if he tried. This is so far from the spirit of NHB - Vale Tudo - or where the sport of MMA was started it really is unbelievable.

The unified rules and the cage are making the sport of MMA veer sideways only to fall off into obscurity HERE at some point. We are clearly seeing serious bias in the rules towards wrestling and a changing of the object of the game. I do not remember this happening in any sport in my life time.

Luckily for the rest of the entire other world of MMA and me, there is MMA outside of the US, Canada, Brazil or wherever the unified rules & the cage are used.