Stalin, Mao or Hitler, who was worse?

rezin wrote:Hitler was the worst.

Any figures you hear about Stalin and Mao are completely fabricated.

rezin wrote:I dont have any real numbers and neither does anyone else.

Ask who are numbers coming from and do they have an agenda as opposed to just keeping record.

http://monthlyreview.org/commentary/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward/

rezin wrote:^ No idea, but we know that the nazis were the aggressors and one of the main causes for the destruction in Europe.

Casualty figures in a lot of conflicts are tough to get accurately because of different sides interest and the actual work necessary to get the count. Usually the figures we get are the ones the western powers like
best and suit their agenda, and since they have by far the best propaganda machine in world history few in those societies question them.

Nodo I have to disagree that totalitarian communism sought to destroy humanity (can you elaborate?)

A lot of people on the left (real left) don't like the USSR and China (some even don't like Cuba) because those were not the close to ideal societies that we can imagine, but the fact is those were successful revolutions that dealt in reality. Many non totalitarian socialist, or even socialist leaning countries did not make it out of their first year before being replaced at the point of a gun with a fascist dictatorship. Many
on the left, like those crushed reformists cause they were not totalitarian, but if we judge results not just ideology, they failed.

Because, as said, they stick together... to the point of sleeping together. But, in sleeping together, they also have feelings - stirrings... and reach for the nearest warm body... and it just goes from there. The first time or 2, it will be strange for them, but after that, it just becomes normal."]

TeamJohnPerretti wrote:All were bad/evil.

I'd rank them: 1)Mao 2)Stalin 3)Hitler

I'd recommend reading this book on Mao:

http://www.amazon.com/Mao-Story-Jung-Chang/dp/0679746323/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409153147&sr=1-1&keywords=Mao%3A+the+Unknown+Story%2C+Jung+Chang+and+Jon+Halliday

The most authoritative life of the Chinese leader every written, Mao: The Unknown Story is based on a decade of research, and on interviews with many of Mao’s close circle in China who have never talked before — and with virtually everyone outside China who had significant dealings with him. It is full of startling revelations, exploding the myth of the Long March, and showing a completely unknown Mao: he was not driven by idealism or ideology; his intimate and intricate relationship with Stalin went back to the 1920s, ultimately bringing him to power; he welcomed Japanese occupation of much of China; and he schemed, poisoned, and blackmailed to get his way. After Mao conquered China in 1949, his secret goal was to dominate the world. In chasing this dream he caused the deaths of 38 million people in the greatest famine in history. In all, well over 70 million Chinese perished under Mao’s rule — in peacetime

Golden Age wrote:

The most authoritative life of the Chinese leader every written, Mao: The Unknown Story is based on a decade of research, and on interviews with many of Mao’s close circle in China who have never talked before — and with virtually everyone outside China who had significant dealings with him. It is full of startling revelations, exploding the myth of the Long March, and showing a completely unknown Mao: he was not driven by idealism or ideology; his intimate and intricate relationship with Stalin went back to the 1920s, ultimately bringing him to power; he welcomed Japanese occupation of much of China; and he schemed, poisoned, and blackmailed to get his way. After Mao conquered China in 1949, his secret goal was to dominate the world. In chasing this dream he caused the deaths of 38 million people in the greatest famine in history. In all, well over 70 million Chinese perished under Mao’s rule — in peacetime

nodogoshi wrote:I noticed that a lot of girls are really close, and are basically openly bisexual.

One comment:

Because, as said, they stick together... to the point of sleeping together. But, in sleeping together, they also have feelings - stirrings... and reach for the nearest warm body... and it just goes from there. The first time or 2, it will be strange for them, but after that, it just becomes normal."]

rezin wrote:

Golden Age wrote:

The most authoritative life of the Chinese leader every written, Mao: The Unknown Story is based on a decade of research, and on interviews with many of Mao’s close circle in China who have never talked before — and with virtually everyone outside China who had significant dealings with him. It is full of startling revelations, exploding the myth of the Long March, and showing a completely unknown Mao: he was not driven by idealism or ideology; his intimate and intricate relationship with Stalin went back to the 1920s, ultimately bringing him to power; he welcomed Japanese occupation of much of China; and he schemed, poisoned, and blackmailed to get his way. After Mao conquered China in 1949, his secret goal was to dominate the world. In chasing this dream he caused the deaths of 38 million people in the greatest famine in history. In all, well over 70 million Chinese perished under Mao’s rule — in peacetime

He he he wow. Up is down, lies are truths, marketing is historical fact.

Golden Age wrote:

TeamJohnPerretti wrote:All were bad/evil.

I'd rank them: 1)Mao 2)Stalin 3)Hitler

I'd recommend reading this book on Mao:

http://www.amazon.com/Mao-Story-Jung-Chang/dp/0679746323/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409153147&sr=1-1&keywords=Mao%3A+the+Unknown+Story%2C+Jung+Chang+and+Jon+Halliday

I will try to get a hold of that book. Mao is probably the worst out of the 3.

The most authoritative life of the Chinese leader every written, Mao: The Unknown Story is based on a decade of research, and on interviews with many of Mao’s close circle in China who have never talked before — and with virtually everyone outside China who had significant dealings with him. It is full of startling revelations, exploding the myth of the Long March, and showing a completely unknown Mao: he was not driven by idealism or ideology; his intimate and intricate relationship with Stalin went back to the 1920s, ultimately bringing him to power; he welcomed Japanese occupation of much of China; and he schemed, poisoned, and blackmailed to get his way. After Mao conquered China in 1949, his secret goal was to dominate the world. In chasing this dream he caused the deaths of 38 million people in the greatest famine in history. In all, well over 70 million Chinese perished under Mao’s rule — in peacetime

nodogoshi wrote:

Golden Age wrote:

TeamJohnPerretti wrote:All were bad/evil.

I'd rank them: 1)Mao 2)Stalin 3)Hitler

I'd recommend reading this book on Mao:

http://www.amazon.com/Mao-Story-Jung-Chang/dp/0679746323/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409153147&sr=1-1&keywords=Mao%3A+the+Unknown+Story%2C+Jung+Chang+and+Jon+Halliday

I will try to get a hold of that book. Mao is probably the worst out of the 3.

The most authoritative life of the Chinese leader every written, Mao: The Unknown Story is based on a decade of research, and on interviews with many of Mao’s close circle in China who have never talked before — and with virtually everyone outside China who had significant dealings with him. It is full of startling revelations, exploding the myth of the Long March, and showing a completely unknown Mao: he was not driven by idealism or ideology; his intimate and intricate relationship with Stalin went back to the 1920s, ultimately bringing him to power; he welcomed Japanese occupation of much of China; and he schemed, poisoned, and blackmailed to get his way. After Mao conquered China in 1949, his secret goal was to dominate the world. In chasing this dream he caused the deaths of 38 million people in the greatest famine in history. In all, well over 70 million Chinese perished under Mao’s rule — in peacetime

Complete and utter deliberate lies.

I'm not a Mao apologist.

That is utter propaganda.

The article Rezin posted before (which I chanced to read) takes on this book.

As for Mao welcoming Japanese occupation, as gross a historic fabrication as that is, the morsel of reality from which this particular lie is construed is likely the fact that China was in a state of open civil war at the time, and Mao's principle enemy was not Japan but the Chinese Nationalist Party. It is owing to this civil war that Japan was so able to have its way in China.

Golden Age wrote:

nodogoshi wrote:

Golden Age wrote:

TeamJohnPerretti wrote:All were bad/evil.

I'd rank them: 1)Mao 2)Stalin 3)Hitler

I'd recommend reading this book on Mao:

http://www.amazon.com/Mao-Story-Jung-Chang/dp/0679746323/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409153147&sr=1-1&keywords=Mao%3A+the+Unknown+Story%2C+Jung+Chang+and+Jon+Halliday

I will try to get a hold of that book. Mao is probably the worst out of the 3.

The most authoritative life of the Chinese leader every written, Mao: The Unknown Story is based on a decade of research, and on interviews with many of Mao’s close circle in China who have never talked before — and with virtually everyone outside China who had significant dealings with him. It is full of startling revelations, exploding the myth of the Long March, and showing a completely unknown Mao: he was not driven by idealism or ideology; his intimate and intricate relationship with Stalin went back to the 1920s, ultimately bringing him to power; he welcomed Japanese occupation of much of China; and he schemed, poisoned, and blackmailed to get his way. After Mao conquered China in 1949, his secret goal was to dominate the world. In chasing this dream he caused the deaths of 38 million people in the greatest famine in history. In all, well over 70 million Chinese perished under Mao’s rule — in peacetime

Complete and utter deliberate lies.

I'm not a Mao apologist.

That is utter propaganda.

The article Rezin posted before (which I chanced to read) takes on this book.

As for Mao welcoming Japanese occupation, as gross a historic fabrication as that is, the morsel of reality from which this particular lie is construed is likely the fact that China was in a state of open civil war at the time, and Mao's principle enemy was not Japan but the Chinese Nationalist Party. It is owing to this civil war that Japan was so able to have its way in China.

I don´t care about the details tbh. All I know is Mao and his communists were mass murderers who get way too much appreciation. Protecting him and trying to deny the murders is as bad as denying the holocaust. Same thing with Stalin and his communists.

nodogoshi wrote:
You are very undereducated here.

It's pretty pointless discussing such serious political and historical matters with someone who lacks any depth of knowledge and who's only fall to is to fling shit like a monkey in the zoo.

Golden Age wrote:It´s disturbing how pictures of the piece of shit are all over China. It´s like the Germans having Hitler all over the place, the difference is Hitler lost the war and Mao was successful.

Golden Age wrote:Nodo this is not about who knows more. This is about exposing the truth just like in the Sharia Law thread. You´re the monkey who doesn´t understand the purpose of these threads.