Official UFC 154 Discussion

doubledx2c wrote:

retrocausality wrote:Anyone with power would destroy GSP

Nope

I want to see GSP fight in other promotions and prove himself against someone who has a different skill set. Most American fighters arent very good strikers, I want to see both Anderson and GSP fight against a top K1 level striker and someone with amazing submission game. I dont want to see them fighting the same old UFC bums over and over.

monaroCountry wrote:

doubledx2c wrote:

retrocausality wrote:Anyone with power would destroy GSP

Nope

I want to see GSP fight in other promotions and prove himself against someone who has a different skill set. Most American fighters arent very good strikers, I want to see both Anderson and GSP fight against a top K1 level striker and someone with amazing submission game. I dont want to see them fighting the same old UFC bums over and over.

If Maia beats Fitch he's probably in line to fight GSP. The only K1 level striker in MMA who fights at WW or MW is Manhoef, and he's already left his prime.

retrocausality wrote:Makes me sick to my stomach when guys throw elbows to do superficial damage. Elbows are cheap anyways. Very few guys can KO anyone with them. Pride had it right by banning them.


GSP threw maybe 5 power shots all night. And try to mount even less. Not one submission attempt. Not a great fight at all for a champion.

you know who was entertaining, that Hendricks kid. he throws that left with bad intentions, not just to set up takedowns, even if it gets him off balance and susceptible to getting taken down himself. reminds me of Hendo actually

I enjoyed the main event alot, too bad all the JUST BLEED fans can't enjoy a fight unless it's ending...

Beanwrap wrote:
I enjoyed the main event alot, too bad all the JUST BLEED fans can't enjoy a fight unless it's ending...

Ironic you say that since GSP just tried to cut Condit for the judges.

I will never appreciate GSP's methodology for winning fights. He just holds guys down. That's pretty much it. Of course he does more than just merely that, but his game works on the basis of sitting in the opponent's guard and restricting their motion. Everything comes off of this. He obviously has the ability to fight in different ways, but this is what he employs as his go-to strategy.

It isn't his fault that the rules allow for this, but I think the rules are no good. A fighter should have to either work to improve position or be stood up. 3 minutes on the ground in the same exact position is not grappling.

nodogoshi wrote:I will never appreciate GSP's methodology for winning fights. He just holds guys down. That's pretty much it. Of course he does more than just merely that, but his game works on the basis of sitting in the opponent's guard and restricting their motion. Everything comes off of this. He obviously has the ability to fight in different ways, but this is what he employs as his go-to strategy.

It isn't his fault that the rules allow for this, but I think the rules are no good. A fighter should have to either work to improve position or be stood up. 3 minutes on the ground in the same exact position is not grappling.

No, but it's great self defence... Basically what the UFC was set up to prove, which martial art is the most effective.

GSP was bezerker last night, he wasn't just trying to edge out a decision... You could see he was trying to smash Condit up, but Condit was doing a good job of defending... His BJJ was good and appeared to be very dangerous at numerous occassions througout the fight.

Starving Hobo wrote:

nodogoshi wrote:I will never appreciate GSP's methodology for winning fights. He just holds guys down. That's pretty much it. Of course he does more than just merely that, but his game works on the basis of sitting in the opponent's guard and restricting their motion. Everything comes off of this. He obviously has the ability to fight in different ways, but this is what he employs as his go-to strategy.

It isn't his fault that the rules allow for this, but I think the rules are no good. A fighter should have to either work to improve position or be stood up. 3 minutes on the ground in the same exact position is not grappling.

No, but it's great self defence... Basically what the UFC was set up to prove, which martial art is the most effective.

GSP was bezerker last night, he wasn't just trying to edge out a decision... You could see he was trying to smash Condit up, but Condit was doing a good job of defending... His BJJ was good and appeared to be very dangerous at numerous occassions througout the fight.

I agree, that was GSP's most entertaining fight in quite a while.

I think he also looked a bit old/worn and vulnerable. He loses within his next 2-3 fights (barring Silva, who would murder him, but it wouldn't be a fair fight, either). He could come back strong, he's been out for a long time. He looked a little bit pudgy to me, to be honest. But he, my guess is that he is well beyond his prime, and his future opponents will learn from this fight, and he will lose pretty soon.

The UFC was set up to prove that "Gracie jiu jitsu" can beat karate fighters. And the rules are drastically different now. If GSP was fighting with no time limits, it would change the dynamics a little, though he would no doubt be effective still. This last fight, he probably would've eventually stopped by cuts, if not by something else, in the hypothetical case of unlimited time limits. GSP is obviously a very good fighter, and would thrive under any system, including Pride, or anything else. This isn't to say he would be the best of his respective time at any system (who knows), just that he would be very capable.

I will say though, that was the most exciting GSP fight in a long time. The card itself was pretty bad, which is probably where a lot of the dissatisfaction is coming from in fact.

Starving Hobo wrote:

nodogoshi wrote:I will never appreciate GSP's methodology for winning fights. He just holds guys down. That's pretty much it. Of course he does more than just merely that, but his game works on the basis of sitting in the opponent's guard and restricting their motion. Everything comes off of this. He obviously has the ability to fight in different ways, but this is what he employs as his go-to strategy.

It isn't his fault that the rules allow for this, but I think the rules are no good. A fighter should have to either work to improve position or be stood up. 3 minutes on the ground in the same exact position is not grappling.

No, but it's great self defence... Basically what the UFC was set up to prove, which martial art is the most effective.

GSP was bezerker last night, he wasn't just trying to edge out a decision... You could see he was trying to smash Condit up, but Condit was doing a good job of defending... His BJJ was good and appeared to be very dangerous at numerous occassions througout the fight.

The UFC was set up so that the only way to win a fight was by submitting or KO'ing your opponent and to showcase GJJ vs other martial arts styles. Finish your opponent. Like in the ultimate proving ground the street there was no clock and nothing barred. Sadly, how would current-GSP, John Fitch, etc win fights in the early UFC or on the street against an opponent with good striking defense on the ground. How with that gamepaln & those specific skills are they gonna tapout/verbal tapout or KO their opponent. Their style & game plan means that they probably wouldn't.

Like Dan Severn at UFC 4, GSP or Fitch could endlessly stay in a guy like Royce's guard not passing or attempting big enough shots to KO him. Eventually those guys are gonna have to posture up and expose themselves big time to a submission artists though. Either that, or at some point GSP or Fitch will get frustrated and stand up to start the fight over standing. If they do that with a really great striker/submission grappler like an Anderson or Fedor, that's not really gonna end up well for them. On the street if they get tired and frustrated after a few hours and get up, they better hope the guy on the bottom wants to quit to.

Current GSP will never finish another fight again in his career as long as Greg Jackson is around. He probably would even default to his current style & game plan on his own. That's a bit sad because the founders of the sport of MMA never intended it to be a pin your opponent, out-pointing out-running the clock thing. Never. That's called wrestling. The object of the game was to KO or submit your opponent. You could achieve that again with the unified rules today if the rules we're changed and you stood guys up unless they we're attempting to sub or KO on the ground. Same thing on the feet if they are just running. This is more PRIDE or M-1 rules.

Against Condit I do agree GSP was very aggressive in the guard and trying to damage his opponent with some decent shots in this fight. He did beat up Condit on the ground. Not a' one submission attempt though. He was on top on the ground for like 20 minutes of a 25 minute fight. That's a little weird and shows he was just really holding position indefinably until the clock ran out. Fedor, Shogun, Big Nog, Wandy, Machida, and me are sad and think that's a just shell of what MMA was originally conceived to be by the sport's founders.

GSP did great in that fight. Looking forward to the Silva/GSP super fight. The top two current P4P fighters going head-to-head will make for a great fight. Each of them have owned their divisions for over 6 years. Epic fight IMO.

Hendricks is a beast. Great wrestler with great KO power. He is a force at 170 and is a pretty dangerous opponent for GSP with his wrestling ability and one punch KO power.

Diabate was real impressive against Griggs. Great standup now mixed in with some grappling skills. Could be dangerous at 205.

Sakara fight should have been a NC.

Overall, very solid night of fights.

Hendricks is a beast... Griggs rushed in like hes fighting some standup can , cant believe that shit