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Post by Kinosis on Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:22 pm

DC actually didn't look very good last night and was losing the fight early on. He couldn't even get a takedown on Stipe. I was shocked at how badly he was closing distance (blindly rushing in) and reacting to punches (even turning away). I'm glad Cormier won, as I have always said Stipe is way overrated, but that was actually one of his worst performances. People will remember the KO, but even that came after multiple eye pokes.

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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:26 pm

Kinosis wrote:DC actually didn't look very good last night and was losing the fight early on. He couldn't even get a takedown on Stipe. I was shocked at how badly he was closing distance (blindly rushing in) and reacting to punches (even turning away). I'm glad Cormier won, as I have always said Stipe is way overrated, but that was actually one of his worst performances. People will remember the KO, but even that came after multiple eye pokes.

Yeah, I agree. Miocic got some good shots on him, he looked like he was getting tired, and ironic he went to his arch enemy's bag of tricks.
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Post by westcott123 on Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:12 pm

With Daniel his style you can not let him get in close that is were he beats most opponents YOU have to either 
A keep him at long distance easier said then done
B be very unpredictable like jon Jones .
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Post by CDF47 on Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:34 pm

westcott123 wrote:With Daniel his style you can not let him get in close that is were he beats most opponents YOU have to either 
A keep him at long distance easier said then done
B be very unpredictable like jon Jones .

Sounds right to me. Stipe should have learned from the Jones fights.

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Post by westcott123 on Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:38 pm

CDF47 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:With Daniel his style you can not let him get in close that is were he beats most opponents YOU have to either 
A keep him at long distance easier said then done
B be very unpredictable like jon Jones .

Sounds right to me.  Stipe should have learned from the Jones fights.
In both fights Jon beat dc not because of his height and reach but because of him being unpredictable.. I say Jon weakness are 
1 he hasn't got good boxing 
2 he isn't the quickest guy in the division he gets away with it due to his great use of his reach.
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Post by CDF47 on Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:08 am

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CDF47 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:With Daniel his style you can not let him get in close that is were he beats most opponents YOU have to either 
A keep him at long distance easier said then done
B be very unpredictable like jon Jones .

Sounds right to me.  Stipe should have learned from the Jones fights.
In both fights Jon beat dc not because of his height and reach but because of him being unpredictable.. I say Jon weakness are 
1 he hasn't got good boxing 
2 he isn't the quickest guy in the division he gets away with it due to his great use of his reach.

That reach he uses well, I agree.  I would like to see him fight DC one more time before DC retires next March.  DC said he is not changing that March date. I'd like to see DC KO Jones like he did Stipe.

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Post by nodogoshi on Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:40 am

I'm glad Stipe lost. I wish I would have posted a prediction, but I was leaning toward Cormier the entire time. I think Cormier will give Stipe trouble any time.

Stipe got 3 defenses and he was the heavyweight goat? It was nauseating as hell.

This was the best result for destroying that despicable myth.

I didn't post a proper prediction, but I did post once that Cormier-Stipe would be an interesting fight because Cormier would have a great chance to beat him. I didn't know that the fight was already signed, but I was told so at the time.

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Post by westcott123 on Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:47 am

He broke the ufc record for heavyweight defences still should not of automatically made stipe the heavyweight goat that title still belongs to the last emperor. He had 3 defences of his belt and with 2 of the wamma belt he technically still has the defences in the heavyweight division . His defences
1 Antonio noguiera
2 mirko cro cop
3 mark hunt 
4 andrei arlovski
5 Brett Rogers.
Don't worry folks since he lost look for the ufc to crown dc as the heavyweight goat especially if he defends it.
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Post by CDF47 on Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:52 am

nodogoshi wrote:I'm glad Stipe lost. I wish I would have posted a prediction, but I was leaning toward Cormier the entire time. I think Cormier will give Stipe trouble any time.

Stipe got 3 defenses and he was the heavyweight goat? It was nauseating as hell.

This was the best result for destroying that despicable myth.

I didn't post a proper prediction, but I did post once that Cormier-Stipe would be an interesting fight because Cormier would have a great chance to beat him. I didn't know that the fight was already signed, but I was told so at the time.

It was a good upset for DC. I didn't make a pic but in my head I was leaning toward Stipe.

Yeah, I was tired of the HW GOAT status for Stipe as well.

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Post by CDF47 on Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:53 am

westcott123 wrote:He broke the ufc record for heavyweight defences still should not of automatically made stipe the heavyweight goat that title still belongs to the last emperor. He had 3 defences of his belt and with 2 of the wamma belt he technically still has the defences in the heavyweight division . His defences
1 Antonio noguiera
2 mirko cro cop
3 mark hunt 
4 andrei arlovski
5 Brett Rogers.
Don't worry folks since he lost look for the ufc to crown dc as the heavyweight goat especially if he defends it.

That's right. He is the UFC HW GOAT. The world MMA GOAT is Fedor.

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Post by westcott123 on Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:32 pm

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-style-of-fedor-emelianenko-was-what-won-him-fights.3014937/

What do people think of this? I agree with the one post fedor is still the most well rounded heavyweight in mma history.
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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:35 pm

westcott123 wrote:He broke the ufc record for heavyweight defences still should not of automatically made stipe the heavyweight goat that title still belongs to the last emperor. He had 3 defences of his belt and with 2 of the wamma belt he technically still has the defences in the heavyweight division . His defences
1 Antonio noguiera
2 mirko cro cop
3 mark hunt 
4 andrei arlovski
5 Brett Rogers.
Don't worry folks since he lost look for the ufc to crown dc as the heavyweight goat especially if he defends it.

Not to mention that those guys were in their primes when Fedor beat them though you could argue Hunt wasn't experienced in MMA yet. JDS was washed up and even Overeem has a lot of mileage.

Also, he's never lost a title yet.
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Post by westcott123 on Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:16 pm

^^ all that is true unfortunately though people don't see that all they see is "you didn't do that in the ufc then it doesn't count"  lol man don't you love how some seem to think they have this you have to prove yourself to me attitude " stipe is an all time heavyweight goat but there is no way he is the goat 

dc yes people can rank as him as an all time great but the goat no.
1 he never beat his rival in Jones all other goat contenders (Anderson, gsp, fedor, mighty mouse) have 
2 while being a two weight champion is an impressive accomplishment it should not automatically make that person the all time goat. In that case 
Dan Henderson 
David branch
Connor McGregor
Aung sang 
Martin Nguyen 
These guys should be the first 6 on everyone all time goat list right?
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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:17 pm

westcott123 wrote:^^ all that is true unfortunately though people don't see that all they see is "you didn't do that in the ufc then it doesn't count"  lol man don't you love how some seem to think they have this you have to prove yourself to me attitude " stipe is an all time heavyweight goat but there is no way he is the goat 

dc yes people can rank as him as an all time great but the goat no.
1 he never beat his rival in Jones all other goat contenders (Anderson, gsp, fedor, mighty mouse) have 
2 while being a two weight champion is an impressive accomplishment it should not automatically make that person the all time goat. In that case 
Dan Henderson 
David branch
Connor McGregor
Aung sang 
Martin Nguyen 
These guys should be the first 6 on everyone all time goat list right?

Not to mention Cormier fought most of his UFC run at Light Heavyweight moving down a class. He weighed 246 pounds against Miocic so he could be cutting tons of weight. Meanwhile, his run at LHW isn't the most impressive as he failed to beat Jones in both fights, he barely got by Gus, dominated a smaller and aging Anderson Silva no longer in his prime and who fought on short notice, beat last minute opponent Patrick Cummins who has yet to show he's elite, rag dolled a smaller aging Dan Henderson, and beat a one dimensional Volkan Ozdemir. The Anthony Johnson wins are really the great wins.

Even worse is now Cormier wants "money fights" before he retires. When did Fedor, Anderson, GSP, and Johnson say they were only interested in money fights as champion? Cormier is going to defend the heavyweight title against a guy who hasn't won in eight years and hasn't fought for two. He's hinting at defending LHW against Shogun despite Shogun being WAY past his prime.
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Post by CDF47 on Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:53 pm

westcott123 wrote:http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-style-of-fedor-emelianenko-was-what-won-him-fights.3014937/

What do people think of this? I agree with the one post fedor is still the most well rounded heavyweight in mma history.

I agree with Fedor being most well rounded.

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Post by westcott123 on Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:05 pm

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westcott123 wrote:^^ all that is true unfortunately though people don't see that all they see is "you didn't do that in the ufc then it doesn't count"  lol man don't you love how some seem to think they have this you have to prove yourself to me attitude " stipe is an all time heavyweight goat but there is no way he is the goat 

dc yes people can rank as him as an all time great but the goat no.
1 he never beat his rival in Jones all other goat contenders (Anderson, gsp, fedor, mighty mouse) have 
2 while being a two weight champion is an impressive accomplishment it should not automatically make that person the all time goat. In that case 
Dan Henderson 
David branch
Connor McGregor
Aung sang 
Martin Nguyen 
These guys should be the first 6 on everyone all time goat list right?

Not to mention Cormier fought most of his UFC run at Light Heavyweight moving down a class. He weighed 246 pounds against Miocic so he could be cutting tons of weight. Meanwhile, his run at LHW isn't the most impressive as he failed to beat Jones in both fights, he barely got by Gus, dominated a smaller and aging Anderson Silva no longer in his prime and who fought on short notice, beat last minute opponent Patrick Cummins who has yet to show he's elite, rag dolled a smaller aging Dan Henderson, and beat a one dimensional Volkan Ozdemir. The Anthony Johnson wins are really the great wins.

Even worse is now Cormier wants "money fights" before he retires. When did Fedor, Anderson, GSP, and Johnson say they were only interested in money fights as champion? Cormier is going to defend the heavyweight title against a guy who hasn't won in eight years and hasn't fought for two. He's hinting at defending LHW against Shogun despite Shogun being WAY past his prime.
You can see it two ways I do understand in wanting to make as much as you can at the same time making the money because they have a huge following but not very highly ranked.
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westcott123 wrote:
Rocksoldier84 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:^^ all that is true unfortunately though people don't see that all they see is "you didn't do that in the ufc then it doesn't count"  lol man don't you love how some seem to think they have this you have to prove yourself to me attitude " stipe is an all time heavyweight goat but there is no way he is the goat 

dc yes people can rank as him as an all time great but the goat no.
1 he never beat his rival in Jones all other goat contenders (Anderson, gsp, fedor, mighty mouse) have 
2 while being a two weight champion is an impressive accomplishment it should not automatically make that person the all time goat. In that case 
Dan Henderson 
David branch
Connor McGregor
Aung sang 
Martin Nguyen 
These guys should be the first 6 on everyone all time goat list right?

Not to mention Cormier fought most of his UFC run at Light Heavyweight moving down a class. He weighed 246 pounds against Miocic so he could be cutting tons of weight. Meanwhile, his run at LHW isn't the most impressive as he failed to beat Jones in both fights, he barely got by Gus, dominated a smaller and aging Anderson Silva no longer in his prime and who fought on short notice, beat last minute opponent Patrick Cummins who has yet to show he's elite, rag dolled a smaller aging Dan Henderson, and beat a one dimensional Volkan Ozdemir. The Anthony Johnson wins are really the great wins.

Even worse is now Cormier wants "money fights" before he retires. When did Fedor, Anderson, GSP, and Johnson say they were only interested in money fights as champion? Cormier is going to defend the heavyweight title against a guy who hasn't won in eight years and hasn't fought for two. He's hinting at defending LHW against Shogun despite Shogun being WAY past his prime.
You can see it two ways I do understand in wanting to make as much as you can at the same time making the money because they have a huge following but not very highly ranked.

I read today that Cormier may have a 6 month medical suspension.  It has to do with his hand injury during the fight.  That would mean he only has one fight left before he retires next March. However, it sounds like it could be much shorter suspension than that.

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Post by westcott123 on Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:47 am

^^ isn't dc retiring march next year? ^^ still it is ridiculous of how they slap the goat on whoever it at the time.
Fedor 
Gsp. 
Anderson
Dj
Jon 
Jose
They have proven to be goats.
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Rocksoldier84 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:^^ all that is true unfortunately though people don't see that all they see is "you didn't do that in the ufc then it doesn't count"  lol man don't you love how some seem to think they have this you have to prove yourself to me attitude " stipe is an all time heavyweight goat but there is no way he is the goat 

dc yes people can rank as him as an all time great but the goat no.
1 he never beat his rival in Jones all other goat contenders (Anderson, gsp, fedor, mighty mouse) have 
2 while being a two weight champion is an impressive accomplishment it should not automatically make that person the all time goat. In that case 
Dan Henderson 
David branch
Connor McGregor
Aung sang 
Martin Nguyen 
These guys should be the first 6 on everyone all time goat list right?

Not to mention Cormier fought most of his UFC run at Light Heavyweight moving down a class. He weighed 246 pounds against Miocic so he could be cutting tons of weight. Meanwhile, his run at LHW isn't the most impressive as he failed to beat Jones in both fights, he barely got by Gus, dominated a smaller and aging Anderson Silva no longer in his prime and who fought on short notice, beat last minute opponent Patrick Cummins who has yet to show he's elite, rag dolled a smaller aging Dan Henderson, and beat a one dimensional Volkan Ozdemir. The Anthony Johnson wins are really the great wins.

Even worse is now Cormier wants "money fights" before he retires. When did Fedor, Anderson, GSP, and Johnson say they were only interested in money fights as champion? Cormier is going to defend the heavyweight title against a guy who hasn't won in eight years and hasn't fought for two. He's hinting at defending LHW against Shogun despite Shogun being WAY past his prime.
Some are saying since Jon cheated those wins against dc should not count oh but don't worry I'm sure they will sing a different tune to someone else. I'm amazed stipe didn't take notes from the Jones fights then again we would of heard how stipe the goat. Dc is like Cain in a way if you can stop them walking you down and getting into the clinch they don't know what to do.
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westcott123 wrote:
Rocksoldier84 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:^^ all that is true unfortunately though people don't see that all they see is "you didn't do that in the ufc then it doesn't count"  lol man don't you love how some seem to think they have this you have to prove yourself to me attitude " stipe is an all time heavyweight goat but there is no way he is the goat 

dc yes people can rank as him as an all time great but the goat no.
1 he never beat his rival in Jones all other goat contenders (Anderson, gsp, fedor, mighty mouse) have 
2 while being a two weight champion is an impressive accomplishment it should not automatically make that person the all time goat. In that case 
Dan Henderson 
David branch
Connor McGregor
Aung sang 
Martin Nguyen 
These guys should be the first 6 on everyone all time goat list right?

Not to mention Cormier fought most of his UFC run at Light Heavyweight moving down a class. He weighed 246 pounds against Miocic so he could be cutting tons of weight. Meanwhile, his run at LHW isn't the most impressive as he failed to beat Jones in both fights, he barely got by Gus, dominated a smaller and aging Anderson Silva no longer in his prime and who fought on short notice, beat last minute opponent Patrick Cummins who has yet to show he's elite, rag dolled a smaller aging Dan Henderson, and beat a one dimensional Volkan Ozdemir. The Anthony Johnson wins are really the great wins.

Even worse is now Cormier wants "money fights" before he retires. When did Fedor, Anderson, GSP, and Johnson say they were only interested in money fights as champion? Cormier is going to defend the heavyweight title against a guy who hasn't won in eight years and hasn't fought for two. He's hinting at defending LHW against Shogun despite Shogun being WAY past his prime.
Some are saying since Jon cheated those wins against dc should not count oh but don't worry I'm sure they will sing a different tune to someone else. I'm amazed stipe didn't take notes from the Jones fights then again we would of heard how stipe the goat. Dc is like Cain in a way if you can stop them walking you down and getting into the clinch they don't know what to do.

Well, the second win doesn't count but the first should because he passed his tests so sorry. As far as someone else, we know Cormier is singing a different tune.
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westcott123 wrote:^^ isn't dc retiring march next year? ^^ still it is ridiculous of how they slap the goat on whoever it at the time.
Fedor 
Gsp. 
Anderson
Dj
Jon 
Jose
They have proven to be goats.

Yeah, he is retiring next March and he said he is not changing the date. Yeah that is a good list of them. Could add Hendo and DC in there as well.

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Post by westcott123 on Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:44 pm

Rocksoldier84 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:
Rocksoldier84 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:^^ all that is true unfortunately though people don't see that all they see is "you didn't do that in the ufc then it doesn't count"  lol man don't you love how some seem to think they have this you have to prove yourself to me attitude " stipe is an all time heavyweight goat but there is no way he is the goat 

dc yes people can rank as him as an all time great but the goat no.
1 he never beat his rival in Jones all other goat contenders (Anderson, gsp, fedor, mighty mouse) have 
2 while being a two weight champion is an impressive accomplishment it should not automatically make that person the all time goat. In that case 
Dan Henderson 
David branch
Connor McGregor
Aung sang 
Martin Nguyen 
These guys should be the first 6 on everyone all time goat list right?

Not to mention Cormier fought most of his UFC run at Light Heavyweight moving down a class. He weighed 246 pounds against Miocic so he could be cutting tons of weight. Meanwhile, his run at LHW isn't the most impressive as he failed to beat Jones in both fights, he barely got by Gus, dominated a smaller and aging Anderson Silva no longer in his prime and who fought on short notice, beat last minute opponent Patrick Cummins who has yet to show he's elite, rag dolled a smaller aging Dan Henderson, and beat a one dimensional Volkan Ozdemir. The Anthony Johnson wins are really the great wins.

Even worse is now Cormier wants "money fights" before he retires. When did Fedor, Anderson, GSP, and Johnson say they were only interested in money fights as champion? Cormier is going to defend the heavyweight title against a guy who hasn't won in eight years and hasn't fought for two. He's hinting at defending LHW against Shogun despite Shogun being WAY past his prime.
Some are saying since Jon cheated those wins against dc should not count oh but don't worry I'm sure they will sing a different tune to someone else. I'm amazed stipe didn't take notes from the Jones fights then again we would of heard how stipe the goat. Dc is like Cain in a way if you can stop them walking you down and getting into the clinch they don't know what to do.

Well, the second win doesn't count but the first should because he passed his tests so sorry. As far as someone else, we know Cormier is singing a different tune.
I meant would they say these fights don't count if it was say someone else? I suppose it will be both.
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CDF47 wrote:
westcott123 wrote:^^ isn't dc retiring march next year? ^^ still it is ridiculous of how they slap the goat on whoever it at the time.
Fedor 
Gsp. 
Anderson
Dj
Jon 
Jose
They have proven to be goats.

Yeah, he is retiring next March and he said he is not changing the date.  Yeah that is a good list of them.  Could add Hendo and DC in there as well.
Dan and Dan do belong on a goat list I put them behind these men 
1 they defended multiple times 
2 they were the man at the division for years . 
Dan never defended with Daniel his legacy is at heavyweight that out weighs the light heavyweight which he got because of Jones screwing up.
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westcott123 wrote:^^ isn't dc retiring march next year? ^^ still it is ridiculous of how they slap the goat on whoever it at the time.
Fedor 
Gsp. 
Anderson
Dj
Jon 
Jose
They have proven to be goats.

Well, tell that to the zombies. We all know they won't count Fedor because he never fought in UFC, Anderson & Jon failed drug tests so they feel it questions their legacies, they haven't like Aldo in a long time and will bring up his 13 second knock out loss, and DJ is considered a coward because he hasn't accepted a fight with Dillashaw despite Dillashaw doing absolutely nothing to earn it.
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Post by westcott123 on Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:04 pm

^^in a nut shell they're impossible to please their goat list is more on who is the most popular at the time they call dc the goat now give it 6 months it will be someone else. I m not a Anderson silva fan I still recognised what he did you can make the argument his opponents were probably juiced as well
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