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Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:53 pm
Vadim offers a deal that Cain Velasquez OR the UFC cant refuse, a fight between Cain (who is no longer under the Championships Clause) and the GOAT Fedor.

This fight will be in Russia with M1 handling the event and costs, the event will definitely be shown in Prime time with viewer numbers that would make UFC's 5.7 million viewers look pedestrian, it will have state backing, will have ticket prices that would make even Dana's head spin, and im sure that the stadium would be packed to the rafters especially with state backing. They could even hold it in Luzhniki Stadium which holds 78,000.

Russia is a closed book as far as UFC goes, theyve been trying to get into the country and grow without success, their brand and promotion means very little as far as MMA is concerned in Russia and that region.

This is a shot across the bow, either for Zuffa to shut up about trying to show the best fights that fans want to see (this is their chance) or for Cain V to take this fight against the GOAT with or without Zuffa (afterall now that hes lost he is no longer under the Championship Clause).

M-1 Global intends to organize a fight Emelianenko - Velazquez in Moscow

http://www.championat.com/boxing/_mma/news-999347-m-1-global-namerena-organizovat-poedinok-emeljanenko---velaskes-v-moskve.html
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A source told "Chempionat.com" Constantine Ustyantseva,, M-1 Global intends to begin negotiations on the organization of a duel between a Russian MMA fighter Fedor Emelianenko (33-4) and former UFC heavyweight Cain Velasquez American (9-1) . Recall that on November 12 Velazquez lost his title in a fight against Junior dos Santos, having been thus first defeat of his career. According to the president of the company M-1 Vadim Finkelstein, Fedor fight - Velazquez in Moscow is able to attract many more viewers than meeting Emelianenko - Monson, and become one of the major events in the world of mixed martial arts in 2012.

"We intend to move forward and offer UFC deal, under which the M-1 is committed to organize a fight between Fedor and Velasquez in 2012 in Moscow - said Finkelstein. - I can guarantee Dana White that charges from this match in Russia will not be worse than in America, and the occupancy of the hall and did break a record attendance. M-1 is ready for dialogue, and will be happy to consider all possible options to create a tournament together. In the near future I will go forth with a proposal to his "best friend" (referring to Dan Wight. - Note. "Chempionat.com") and see what he will say.

A huge army of fans want to see this fight, and we want it, the only question is whether this will UFC? Velasquez has lost his last fight and lost the title, so why would he, instead of climbing back on top, do not agree to a meeting with one of the best fighters in history? The last tournament of the "Olympic" has shown great interest in how the Russian public to fights MMA and Fedor in particular. If we are able to negotiate with Velasquez, the excitement will be many times higher, which means that half of the arena, "Olympic," we will have enough. Now all our thoughts are directed at the organization next fight Fedor, which we hope will take place in Japan. However, the organizational details about the fight with Velasquez will be solved in parallel. "

Finkelstein also said Satoshi Ishii candidacy (4-1-1), which information the western media can be a contender for Fedor New Year tournament in Japan. "We would be interested to sign it with Ishii. First of all, because it is a very talented and promising fighter, winner of the Olympics. Secondly, he is Japanese, which means that interest in him among his fans will be great, that promises to fight Fedor even more spectacular. I can not confirm or deny that Ishii will become a rival to the New Year tournament Fedor, because now we are engaged in this issue and has not received any specifics from our Japanese colleagues. The complexity of signing contracts with Ishii is also in the that the fighter can get away from a fight with a rival such as Fyodor, fearing defeat in the early stage of career, also in their audiences. "

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President of the M-1 Global, Vadim Finkelstein said in an interview about the last tournament of M-1 Global Fedor vs Monson, about the incident with Vladimir Putin and the future plans of the organization

Vadim, congratulations to you and all fans of mixed martial arts victory with Fedor. Please tell us about your impressions of the tournament.


In the history of MMA, it was the largest tournament held in Russia and Europe. Arena housed the 22 000 spectators and was completely full. All the fights were interesting and entertaining. Each bout was his character, his individual person. In the course of the tournament was not boring fights. Not one room in Europe and Russia are not scored more than 13 thousand spectators. When in the hall there is a number of spectators, the atmosphere is completely different. When shown photos of Fedor, the whole room exploded. I am very glad that we had this event and thank the audience for their support.

[skipped Vadim's response about Putin]

Vadim, if away from politics, talk about fight Fedor.

Jeff - great pilot a fighter. I am grateful to him for his handsome manly fight. Despite the fracture, and missed punches, he kept to the last. I respect him for his courage, his character and will power. He showed himself a real fighter.

Fedor cautious and not in a hurry. He clearly acted on a plan that they have developed with coaches in the Netherlands. Fedor does not fall into the trap that he was setting Monson. He was in no hurry, quietly imposed its style duel. Did everything well planned. He considered all his mistakes and has passed all right.

The site mma mania. Com an article that you are negotiating with the UFC about a fight against Fedor Velazquez. How can you comment on that. This is a rumor or really talks underway?

I am not a negotiation. But it's a good idea. I will turn to Dana White about this fight. I am ready to discuss the holding of several fights Fedor in the U.S. and Russia. I think that such a great fight Emelianenko Velazquez will be the arena to collect up to 45 000. We can do it. Fedor insanely popular in Russia and Europe. UFC tried repeatedly to raise the arena, but there was no more than 13 000 spectators. We can make quality and beautiful show. We have just proved it.

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All viewers have noted the good organization and a beautiful picture on the screen. Is everything was so smooth?


As an organizer, I noticed some shortcomings: it is a problem with the tickets. When tickets went on sale in some difficulty. Since the wanting to buy tickets there were many, and quotas were not under it's calculated. The excitement was far more than we could imagine. In fact the tournament, unfortunately, some people could not get into the hall. If we talk about the shortcomings, it was another - it's movies in English without subtitles in Russian. The entire video production was produced for broadcast in 120 countries, but unfortunately failed and the Russian audience was left without a title in Russian, some rollers. We regret this in the future and take into account all the shortcomings.

Assessing the work done, we believe that such a huge show with some live on the world all went very well. Fights were spectacular. No one could say that at least one fight was boring. All the spectators were satisfied.
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:10 pm
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:14 pm
I bet dana is to chicken to let this happen.
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:20 pm
M-1 is doing the right moves. This is exactly the news I want to read.
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:22 pm
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:26 pm
Holy shit, this is how you promote fights..
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:29 pm
lol, I ran over to sherdog (I know, I know, I shouldn't have) just to see if anyone had posted this, they had, and everyone is bashing Fedor and M-1 for it. Haha, it's amazing how brainwashed these guys are. They have no idea what a success M-1's show was and never even stop to think that if the ufc turns this down they are cowards. Of course they will just make excuses and continue to daydream about making out with dana.

They constantly lie and say Fedor never has fought the best, Fedor offers to fight the guy they just claimed was unbeatable and the greatest ever blah blah blah and they mock him for it. M1 Global: Vadim Finkelstein offers Cain Velasquez / UFC a deal they cant refuse 852107159
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:30 pm
This will never happen. Pie in the sky. Zuffa has nothing to gain and everything to lose here. Lose, lose, lose, lose, lose situation.

If Fedor shows up the UFC's #2 world ranked HW this will completely exposed Dana & the Fertitta's hype-propaganda machine and business. Zuffa's corporate valuation would probably drop by half over night. That would be in the range of $100M loss for Dana and $800M for the Fertitta's.

There is no way in hell the would risk that. Long-time mob families only bet on sure things. If ya know what I mean. Casino owners only gamble when they are the house. Makes you wonder why two brothers who are both would sink buy a failing MMA promotion with no signs of profitability and proceed to dump $50M into it. That's about as high risk investment as there ever was. Mobsters don't take big risks and casino owners don't either. Mmmm...


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Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:48 pm
I know for sure that Dana and Zuffa is too scared to take this gamble. For them its not just their fighter loosing to another fighter, for them its their promotion loosing to another promotion. Theyve built up a really complex wall where they could say that their fighter is the best of the best, without having any of their fighter fight outside the promotion. The last time they took this gamble, they lost (Pride v. UFC).

I think this offer by Vadim is really directed at Cain himself. This about why Vadim didnt call out JDS or Lesnar, its because JDS is now under the Championship Clause and Lesnar is still UFC's biggest cash cow. Cain Valasquez is neither and so is more likely open to leaving UFC if given enough $$$. M1 has previously offered Brock a multi million dollar contract and has said that they could match ANY OFFERS UFC made to Fedor. With a billionaire owner and State backing I dont doubt for one instance that M1-Global could easily offer multi million one fight deals to Cain. We all know that Cain only received a measly $100,000 against JDS and a $200k (plus $100k win bonus) against Brock. Cain only received $100k for 2011. If I was Cain id take a million or multi million dollar offer by M1-Global, after all fighters only have a limited shelf life.

Smart move by Vadim actually, turning the tables using an old UFC ploy. Zuffa really has three choices 1) they accept the deal 2) they loose Cain, or 3) they bump up Cain's payment just to keep him (Zuffa wont admit or disclose payment). All three would be great for M1.
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:57 pm
Dagwood wrote:This will never happen. Pie in the sky. Zuffa has nothing to gain and everything to lose here. Lose, lose, lose, lose, lose situation.

If Fedor shows up the UFC's #2 world ranked HW this will completely exposed Dana & the Fertitta's hype-propaganda machine and business. Zuffa's corporate valuation would probably drop by half over night. That would be in the range of $100M loss for Dana and $800M for the Fertitta's.

There is no way in hell the would risk that. Long-time mob families only bet on sure things. If ya know what I mean. Casino owners only gamble when they are the house. Makes you wonder why two brothers who are both would sink buy a failing MMA promotion with no signs of profitability and proceed to dump $50M into it. That's about as high risk investment as there ever was. Mobsters don't take big risks and casino owners don't either. Mmmm...



Thats the beauty, M1 is now thinking smart.

Like ive said Zuffa either
1) they accept the deal and risk a loss to their fighter and image
2) they loose Cain if Cain thinks that the deal if good enough (there goes the Zuffa hype and investment), or
3) they bump up Cain's payment just to keep him (Zuffa wont admit or disclose payment).

All three would be great for M1.

One of the best example of this is Overeem when he left Golden Glory for the UFC. Golden Glory investment and work over the years GONE. I think other promotions should use this same strategy against the UFC, I call it Zuffa death by many cuts.
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:06 pm
I think zuffarat bastards will go with option #3

I do agree all other promotions should use these tactics against these rat bastards.
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:02 pm
Say Cain has the right to leave UFC and manage to fight under M1. Will Cain be ostracized from The Zuffa Club since he is not a big draw? As a fighter I would fight Fedor. As a businessman I would stay in the UFC unless M1 is giving me top boxers' pay.
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:15 pm
UFC won't accept it, and Cain won't accept it either because the UFC would threaten him by saying he'll never be allowed to fight in the UFC ever again.


But this is a class move by M-1
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:23 pm
Apres Moi wrote:Say Cain has the right to leave UFC and manage to fight under M1. Will Cain be ostracized from The Zuffa Club since he is not a big draw? As a fighter I would fight Fedor. As a businessman I would stay in the UFC unless M1 is giving me top boxers' pay.

Well Arlovski made $1M+ for his Affliction fight vs Fedor. Silvia made a whole lot for his fight too. If Cain is a free agent after his loss to JDS because the UFC champions clause no longer holds him there, M-1 plus the Russian state could make him a rich man. He would have to fight in the UFC for 5 or ten years to match one fight. He could be outa the UFC next year, who knows?

I can't see the UFC leaving a champion unprotected after losing the championship though. Cain must be contracted for more fights if Zuffa wants to keep him.

Vadim and the PM/former-KGB leader would love to flame Dana & the Fertitta's hard for dissing a national hero, a national sport and a nation. The Zuffa boys will be lucky if being exposed in the MMA world is the only thing those crazy Russians would do to them. Haha. Dana, this is no Twiitter war with an internet kid. It's Vladimir fucking Putin! Maybe Dana's balding has been from a radioactive KGB weapon attack. Hahaha.




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Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:36 pm
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Well Arlovski made $1M+ for his Affliction fight vs Fedor. Silvia made a whole lot for his fight too. If Cain is a free agent after his loss to JDS because the UFC champions clause no longer holds him there, M-1 plus the Russian state could make him a rich man. He would have to fight in the UFC for 5 or ten years to match one fight. He could be outa the UFC next year, who knows?

Vadim and the PM/former-KGB leader would love to flame Dana & the Fertitta's hard for dissing a national hero, a national sport and a nation. The Zuffa boys will be lucky if being exposed in the MMA world is the only thing those crazy Russians would do to them. Haha. Dana, this is no Twiitter war with an internet kid. It's Vladimir fucking Putin! Maybe Dana's balding has been from a radioactive KGB weapon attack. Hahaha.

LOL Twitter WAR. Dana is pretty childish to say the least

I think if M1 can offer Cain the right incentives he leaves. $1-2M purse is not worth the risk of leaving Zuffa.
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Dagwood wrote:
Well Arlovski made $1M+ for his Affliction fight vs Fedor. Silvia made a whole lot for his fight too. If Cain is a free agent after his loss to JDS because the UFC champions clause no longer holds him there, M-1 plus the Russian state could make him a rich man. He would have to fight in the UFC for 5 or ten years to match one fight. He could be outa the UFC next year, who knows?

Vadim and the PM/former-KGB leader would love to flame Dana & the Fertitta's hard for dissing a national hero, a national sport and a nation. The Zuffa boys will be lucky if being exposed in the MMA world is the only thing those crazy Russians would do to them. Haha. Dana, this is no Twiitter war with an internet kid. It's Vladimir fucking Putin! Maybe Dana's balding has been from a radioactive KGB weapon attack. Hahaha.

LOL Twitter WAR. Dana is pretty childish to say the least

I think if M1 can offer Cain the right incentives he leaves. $1-2M purse is not worth the risk of leaving Zuffa.


If I was getting paid $100k per fight excluding bonuses per year at approximately 2 fights per year. I would most definitely sign up to a $2+ million proposal. Live off the fucken interest and retire on a tropical island like a king with my bitches and servants cheers .
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Apres Moi wrote:Say Cain has the right to leave UFC and manage to fight under M1. Will Cain be ostracized from The Zuffa Club since he is not a big draw? As a fighter I would fight Fedor. As a businessman I would stay in the UFC unless M1 is giving me top boxers' pay.

Multiple middle boxers pay = in the UFC OR

Top boxers pay = in M1/Golden Glory/Dream/Bellator.

UFC cant pay "top boxers pay" to everyone of their fighters (unless your Brock, GSP, or AS) and no one promotion can pay top boxers pay indefinitely. However you can get top boxers pay if you move from one promotion to the other, how else do you think Alex E can get close to the same paycheck as Cain V using an unknown Polish promoter (expenses paid everything too)?
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If I was getting paid $100k per fight excluding bonuses per year at approximately 2 fights per year. I would most definitely sign up to a $2+ million proposal. Live off the fucken interest and retire on a tropical island like a king with my bitches and servants cheers .

If it's a sweet deal then I'm sure most fighters would take it. But considering UFC is the top company and Cain is 25? It would take Cain a proposed deal such as the one you suggest or better for him to leave. At the moment being a "top" Zuffa fighter comes sponsorship,name recognition and other opportunities. At this time M1 can't match that in the U.S market.

Ok it's getting cold gonna go put on my tapout sweater, smoke a bowl and listen to Rogan's podcast.

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Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:02 pm
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Apres Moi wrote:Say Cain has the right to leave UFC and manage to fight under M1. Will Cain be ostracized from The Zuffa Club since he is not a big draw? As a fighter I would fight Fedor. As a businessman I would stay in the UFC unless M1 is giving me top boxers' pay.

Multiple middle boxers pay = in the UFC OR

Top boxers pay = in M1/Golden Glory/Dream/Bellator.

UFC cant pay "top boxers pay" to everyone of their fighters (unless your Brock, GSP, or AS) and no one promotion can pay top boxers pay indefinitely. However you can get top boxers pay if you move from one promotion to the other, how else do you think Alex E can get close to the same paycheck as Cain V using an unknown Polish promoter (expenses paid everything too)?

I think I poorly summed up my points in the other quote. But It pays to fight in America unless you are making Bob Sapp money.

Never implied ufc paid "top boxers pay" just wanted to assert it would take Cain a lot of money to leave Zuffa. Not because Zuffa pays great, but the "incentives" of being a Zuffa Fighter in the American market.

ok I need to smoke a listen to Joe Rogan now. BTW tapout shirts are half off on Black Friday and Cyber Monday. Gonna pick up a 10th planet spats as well.

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Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:04 pm
and by Bob Sapp money I meant the incentives of being a Big, Black Negro in Japan since Japan loves Big, Black Negros.
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:09 pm
This type deal doesnt get offered to many fighters and if Cain becomes a hit in Russia and Japan (just ask Bob Sapp why he stays in Japan) then he would be rocking far more $$$ than if he were in America. Anyway, American fans are very fickle, Cain is no longer their golden boy whereas Japanese and Russian fans will continue to support him any buy his stuff even if he starts loosing (so long as he fights courageously). Zuffa doesnt really offer much in the way of opportunities, you either fight for them and no one else.

What the UFC does offer though is name recognition, Zuffa has the whole english language MMA news community covered. But like ive said, Cain's time in the sun has come and gone. His name and his generation will be tarnished and forgotten once Zuffa/Dana decides to make another "new breed" who are apparently are on a totally new level and that the previous generation of fighters "were never that good".

Zuffa MMA = fast food MMA. This is why Im so against it, theyve got no respect to the previous generation of fighters.


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Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:13 pm
Apres Moi wrote:and by Bob Sapp money I meant the incentives of being a Big, Black Negro in Japan since Japan loves Big, Black Negros.

Fedor money in Japan also stretches (not as much as Sapp or the Japanese heros though). Have you seen how many commercials Fedor has had in Asia? even their Sneakers ad has Fedor, and Fedor only does these commercials when he goes there, which he hasnt for a while now.

Still, your right though it would take allot of coaxing for Cain to leave the UFC. Worse comes to worse its still a win for M1 and hopefully a win for Cain (when UFC bumps up his pay).
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:53 pm
It looks like Kogan wants to sign Fedor to the Ufc with no co promotion.

http://twitter.com/#!/evgenikogan

@Dan_Plunkett @danawhite Not necessarily co-promotion. We just want to see this fight happen, that's all. No craziness, no weird terms.
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:57 pm
Zuffa_Informant wrote:It looks like Kogan wants to sign Fedor to the Ufc with no co promotion.

http://twitter.com/#!/evgenikogan

@Dan_Plunkett @danawhite Not necessarily co-promotion. We just want to see this fight happen, that's all. No craziness, no weird terms.

No copromotion for the UFC, or M-1? It seems like M1 just want to do their own show with Cain in Russia without the UFC.. lol
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Zuffa_Informant wrote:It looks like Kogan wants to sign Fedor to the Ufc with no co promotion.

http://twitter.com/#!/evgenikogan

@Dan_Plunkett @danawhite Not necessarily co-promotion. We just want to see this fight happen, that's all. No craziness, no weird terms.

No copromotion for the UFC, or M-1? It seems like M1 just want to do their own show with Cain in Russia without the UFC.. lol

I think he just wants to give Fedor to the Ufc.

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