Biased treatment of Zuffa v Non Zuffa fighters

This is very interesting. How a Zuffa fighter gets his achievements applauded while a non Zuffa fighter gets called a CAN.

Lets look at the case of Roy Nelson and Jeff Monson. Both have granite for chins and both having only fallen by punches from one man, AA for Nelson and Rizzo for Monson. Yet everyone is praising and hyping Roy as having the toughest chin after being thrashed by Werdum, yet wont acknowledge Monson's equally strong resolve.

In addition, zombies have called Monson a CAN and tried to diminish Fedor's achievements against him, all the while ignoring the fact that Monson has a better fight record, is better on the ground, has a tougher chin, and actually beat Nelson. Yet I never heard any of these zombies question why Werdum fought a CAN (BTW I dont regard Monson and Nelson as cans).

I still have Monson as a better fighter, better chin, and better grappling as compared with Roy Nelson. Their ranking though is nowhere near each other. Nelson would have a better ranking courtesy of being a Zuffa employee.

Monson after the Fedor fight (dont forget the broken leg)


Nelson after the Werdum fight

Monson is a better fighter than Nelson imo. He even gave top ranked Cormier a tough fight.

Monson is clearly the better and more deserving fighter. The guy had a broken leg for fucks sake and never gave up.

monaroCountry wrote:This is very interesting. How a Zuffa fighter gets his achievements applauded while a non Zuffa fighter gets called a CAN.

Lets look at the case of Roy Nelson and Jeff Monson. Both have granite for chins and both having only fallen by punches from one man, AA for Nelson and Rizzo for Monson. Yet everyone is praising and hyping Roy as having the toughest chin after being thrashed by Werdum, yet wont acknowledge Monson's equally strong resolve.

In addition, zombies have called Monson a CAN and tried to diminish Fedor's achievements against him, all the while ignoring the fact that Monson has a better fight record, is better on the ground, has a tougher chin, and actually beat Nelson. Yet I never heard any of these zombies question why Werdum fought a CAN (BTW I dont regard Monson and Nelson as cans).

I still have Monson as a better fighter, better chin, and better grappling as compared with Roy Nelson. Their ranking though is nowhere near each other. Nelson would have a better ranking courtesy of being a Zuffa employee.

Monson after the Fedor fight (dont forget the broken leg)


Nelson after the Werdum fight

Agreed. The rankings on most of the websites suck and are biased as hell.

ELO MMA Rankings have Monson at #18 (he was around 12 or 13 when Fedor fought him) and Roy Nelson isn't in the top 25. The biggest problem with this website is not every fighters record is updated often enough but as far as where the fighters are based on what they have actually done (not hype), it looks pretty darn close.

http://www.mma-elo.com/ranks.php?r=3

Great thread by the way, this is the kind of logical reasoning the zombies call you a nuthugger for because they can't actually deny it with truth or any kind of argument so they just call you names. I saw today on sherdog someone complimented M-1 and everyone came out of the woodwork bashing them for it, even though M-1 is a much better company and respectful/honest than zuffa but they act like M-1 are the bad guys (and all of the reasons they use to support this come from bs internet articles that aren't even true).

Roy Nelson is nothing but a has been IFL KAN KRUSHER and should never EVER be mentioned in a top 10 list again.

RussianTopTeam wrote:Roy Nelson is nothing but a has been IFL KAN KRUSHER and should never EVER be mentioned in a top 10 list again.

I dont think hes in the top ten but I do like him as a fighter, plenty of spirit.I also do rate him on the ground as well and hes got a strong chin.

^Yeah, I like Nelson, nothing against him, he is just an okay HW. He can beat the guys like (probably) Kongo level but can't beat top 10 guys (at least not so far).

Pretty good thread/argument.

There's many of these type of comparisons to be made that expose the bias not only the fans but the way that the paths are chosen for the advancement of UFC fighters up the ladder of progression in the rankings, and it usually has to do with them being marketable, American, or the underdog win that fight. Most bullshit decisions usually harm the foreign fighter or the fighter that isn't in good standing with zuffa.

^No kidding. Look at Fedor, he went from being #1 for years and years to off the top 10 completely (even after 2 wins) yet guys like Carwin and Lesnar can get beat up and lose multiple fights in a row (without anything even close to Fedor past) and still be ranked in the top 5 or 6 according to most of these websites.

Even Velasquez who only has 10 fights, and was just KO'd in a minute is still #2 at most places. He he loses again they might drop him to 5 or 6. But what has he actually done to deserve that? Beat Big Nog who is washed up and not even on most of these top 10 lists and Lesnar who had a 5-3 record and got retired. And I am not arguing Velasquez sucks, he just doesn't deserve to be #2. ELO has it right, he is #10 there. Take the bias out and all of a sudden the rankings look very different.

Kinosis wrote:^No kidding. Look at Fedor, he went from being #1 for years and years to off the top 10 completely (even after 2 wins) yet guys like Carwin and Lesnar can get beat up and lose multiple fights in a row (without anything even close to Fedor past) and still be ranked in the top 5 or 6 according to most of these websites.

Even Velasquez who only has 10 fights, and was just KO'd in a minute is still #2 at most places. He he loses again they might drop him to 5 or 6. But what has he actually done to deserve that? Beat Big Nog who is washed up and not even on most of these top 10 lists and Lesnar who had a 5-3 record and got retired. And I am not arguing Velasquez sucks, he just doesn't deserve to be #2. ELO has it right, he is #10 there. Take the bias out and all of a sudden the rankings look very different.

Like we talked about before. Mir beating a sick Nog completely destroyed the HW rankings. Carwin and Lesnar got to the top when they beat Mir. Sergei and Barnett were completely rejected because they fought outside Zuffa and now Fedor is barely a top 15 fighter to most fans.

The Zuffa propaganda machine is making a great job promoting mediocre fighters for the moron fans that easily fall for it. People that watch the UFC products are mostly not a fan of global MMA (or have recently started watching it after Lesnar etc.) and are too lazy to think for themselves/do their own research, so they go by the words of Zuffa. This makes them believe matches like Carwin/Lesnar is the best HW fight in the history of the sport. Nothing more than easy brainwashing, since the intelligence of the random UFC fan is mostly below average.

Doku wrote:The Zuffa propaganda machine is making a great job promoting mediocre fighters for the moron fans that easily fall for it. People that watch the UFC products are mostly not a fan of global MMA (or have recently started watching it after Lesnar etc.) and are too lazy to think for themselves/do their own research, so they go by the words of Zuffa. This makes them believe matches like Carwin/Lesnar is the best HW fight in the history of the sport. Nothing more than easy brainwashing, since the intelligence of the random UFC fan is mostly below average.

The Lesnar vs Carwin hype was insane. The biggest HW fight in the history of mma, what a joke. They would get destroyed by several fighters on our GLOBAL rankings.

Monson vs. Nelson was a shit decision.

Doku wrote:The Zuffa propaganda machine is making a great job promoting mediocre fighters for the moron fans that easily fall for it. People that watch the UFC products are mostly not a fan of global MMA (or have recently started watching it after Lesnar etc.) and are too lazy to think for themselves/do their own research, so they go by the words of Zuffa. This makes them believe matches like Carwin/Lesnar is the best HW fight in the history of the sport. Nothing more than easy brainwashing, since the intelligence of the random UFC fan is mostly below average.

Thats also how Zuffa could call all these mediocre UFC HW fighters as top notch and top ten i.e Carwin, Cain, Brock while those outside Zuffa who are actually more seasoned vets and more deserving like Fedor, Sergei, and Josh are relegated outside the top ten, even with their well proven experience and better skills.

monaroCountry wrote:

Doku wrote:The Zuffa propaganda machine is making a great job promoting mediocre fighters for the moron fans that easily fall for it. People that watch the UFC products are mostly not a fan of global MMA (or have recently started watching it after Lesnar etc.) and are too lazy to think for themselves/do their own research, so they go by the words of Zuffa. This makes them believe matches like Carwin/Lesnar is the best HW fight in the history of the sport. Nothing more than easy brainwashing, since the intelligence of the random UFC fan is mostly below average.

Thats also how Zuffa could call all these mediocre UFC HW fighters as top notch and top ten i.e Carwin, Cain, Brock while those outside Zuffa who are actually more seasoned vets and more deserving like Fedor, Sergei, and Josh are relegated outside the top ten, even with their well proven experience and better skills.

Ya.

When you think about it the top 2-5 of each UFC weight division are truly top 10 in the world and everybody below those guys are completely interchangeable. There are many excellent fighters that the UFC don't or won't sign from all over the world. That is unless you're a fairly successful U.S. collegiate wrestler with no real striking skills and don't know a omoplata from a gogoplata. Sorry check that... an armbar from a neck crank.

So many foreign fighters from many international organizations that could easily hang in the UFC. Ha... you can't tell me Dave Herman is an elite HW. It's kind of a joke really.

MMArx wrote:Monson vs. Nelson was a shit decision.

Thank you. People debating hypothetical rankings seem to forget the people they are talking about actually fought. As you quite rightly point out Nelson was robbed by the judges and you will be hard pushed to find a MMA outlet that didn't give the fight to Nelson.

total finish wrote:

MMArx wrote:Monson vs. Nelson was a shit decision.

Thank you. People debating hypothetical rankings seem to forget the people they are talking about actually fought. As you quite rightly point out Nelson was robbed by the judges and you will be hard pushed to find a MMA outlet that didn't give the fight to Nelson.

Robbed or not Nelson is def no better then Monson.

PRIDE NEVER DIE wrote:

total finish wrote:

MMArx wrote:Monson vs. Nelson was a shit decision.

Thank you. People debating hypothetical rankings seem to forget the people they are talking about actually fought. As you quite rightly point out Nelson was robbed by the judges and you will be hard pushed to find a MMA outlet that didn't give the fight to Nelson.

Robbed or not Nelson is def no better then Monson.

Can you explain that? A fight between the two which it's universally accepted in the MMA community that Nelson should have won. This isn't Zuffa bias either because this was the consensus immediately after the fight and prior to Nelson being contracted to Zuffa.

I don't see how there is any better gauge for comparing fighters than an actual fight between the two!

This rabid anti zuffa hysteria in here at times really does produce huge derp moments at times.

Ronwah you need to open your eyes and support the sport and not just Zuffa.

What's a Ronwah? Also how is giving Nelson his dues for his performance in the fight against Monson not supporting the sport?
Or do we choose to ignore stuff like that because it doesn't fit the ideology?

total finish wrote:What's a Ronwah? Also how is giving Nelson his dues for his performance in the fight against Monson not supporting the sport?
Or do we choose to ignore stuff like that because it doesn't fit the ideology?

Brainwashed fans think only the UFC counts, it´s as simple as that. You´re welcome to have your opinions but we will still fight against Zuffa. They need to be stopped before they get a hold on the european market.

Johan Lofgren wrote:

total finish wrote:What's a Ronwah? Also how is giving Nelson his dues for his performance in the fight against Monson not supporting the sport?
Or do we choose to ignore stuff like that because it doesn't fit the ideology?

Brainwashed fans think only the UFC counts, it´s as simple as that. You´re welcome to have your opinions but we will still fight against Zuffa. They need to be stopped before they get a hold on the european market.

Which is fine. But I'm still not sure on how that has anything to do with the fight between Nelson and Monson?
Why is Nelson being discredited when the fight immediately before Monson he lost to Arlovski - who in turn then fought Fedor. Arlovski was considered the number two HW in the world at the time and Nelson was seen as a legit contender for him at the time.

Dress it up any way you like, but Nelson was robbed in the fight against Monson.

total finish wrote:

Johan Lofgren wrote:

total finish wrote:What's a Ronwah? Also how is giving Nelson his dues for his performance in the fight against Monson not supporting the sport?
Or do we choose to ignore stuff like that because it doesn't fit the ideology?

Brainwashed fans think only the UFC counts, it´s as simple as that. You´re welcome to have your opinions but we will still fight against Zuffa. They need to be stopped before they get a hold on the european market.

Which is fine. But I'm still not sure on how that has anything to do with the fight between Nelson and Monson?
Why is Nelson being discredited when the fight immediately before Monson he lost to Arlovski - who in turn then fought Fedor. Arlovski was considered the number two HW in the world at the time and Nelson was seen as a legit contender for him at the time.

Dress it up any way you like, but Nelson was robbed in the fight against Monson.

Monson put on a bad performance against Nelson but overall he´s the better fighter. Beating Monson is better than beating Nelson. You get it?